- 07-06-2012, 13:24 #51Dry books of tactics are beneath the notice of a man of genius, and it is a known fact that every British officer is inspired with a perfect knowledge of his duty, the moment he gets his commission; and if it were not, it would be sufficiently acquired in conversaziones at the main-guard or the grand sutler's.
Advice to Officer's of the British Army, published 1782
- 07-06-2012, 13:28 #52To eat well in England one must have breakfast three times a day
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London: its "buzz" and "vibrancy"... can be codewords for drugs, late-night noise and multi-culturalism run (literally) riot.
- 07-06-2012, 14:08 #53Dry books of tactics are beneath the notice of a man of genius, and it is a known fact that every British officer is inspired with a perfect knowledge of his duty, the moment he gets his commission; and if it were not, it would be sufficiently acquired in conversaziones at the main-guard or the grand sutler's.
Advice to Officer's of the British Army, published 1782
- 07-06-2012, 16:09 #54
Just in order to stem the outrage no doubt brewing, I must stress that getting pissed up on exercise is a thing of the past. Yes, I know boring, but this is the world in which we now live. While I remember the days of wobbly coffee and a bottle of whisky over orders on the Hohne training, this has (I think rightly) been killed off. There is a time and a place and training (and operations) is/are not it. The work hard/play hard ethos does not mean you do both at the same time! I remember recently talking to an RAC Sqn Ldr who had been throughly disappointed at being told (while at BATUS) that there was now a zero tolerance policy on booze on the training area and that he would answer for any booze found in his Sqn.
CC raises a good point. There are different sorts of messes populated by different sorts of people. As he rightly says, if you want to live in a mess with a tight knit group of people who eat and socialise together every night they are in and live by a set of rules (that may seem archaic to some) them there will be RAC or Infantry messes that will suit you. If you are more happy to lock yourself in your room after work, eat supper on your lap in front of the television and generally live in a less tight knit mess then this sort of mess is probably not for you, "horses for courses" as they say.Please no, not the face!...
- 07-06-2012, 16:12 #55Senior Member
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- 07-06-2012, 16:17 #56
Bugger never tried that one, how do you brew outrage; is it a combination of lighter fuel, blue stratos and anti-freeze? Or something even better? But I do agree that there is a time and place for training and operations, bloody rude of whoever plans it that it should interfere with drinking time. Thus we were able to combine all three and somehow managed to achieve something. I believe that in the past they may also have won one or two wars that way.
Dry books of tactics are beneath the notice of a man of genius, and it is a known fact that every British officer is inspired with a perfect knowledge of his duty, the moment he gets his commission; and if it were not, it would be sufficiently acquired in conversaziones at the main-guard or the grand sutler's.
Advice to Officer's of the British Army, published 1782
- 07-06-2012, 16:18 #57
I did a BATUS in the early ‘90s & the then Commandant was known as Kevin Teabag as he had banned booze on the prairie so it did go back that far. I certainly remember pulling out a bottle of something warming when I joined the TA & being told to put it away pretty rapidly, although on a tour with an OTC one or two of the Regular PSIs were rather fond of their hipflasks.
It did sometimes drive me mental to have to stick on black tie once a week & a suit every night, but it was just what we did & one played the game. ISTR a Household Division Officer coming to visit & thinking us very quaint as we dressed for dinner. His lot only did so when there were guests.
Having spent time in RAF Messes, however, I would never want to go to that level of slovenliness. Aside from anything else prohibitions on Working Dress & PT kit at certain times are about cleanliness & hygiene!To eat well in England one must have breakfast three times a day
Somerset Maugham
London: its "buzz" and "vibrancy"... can be codewords for drugs, late-night noise and multi-culturalism run (literally) riot.
- 07-06-2012, 16:19 #58To eat well in England one must have breakfast three times a day
Somerset Maugham
London: its "buzz" and "vibrancy"... can be codewords for drugs, late-night noise and multi-culturalism run (literally) riot.
- 27-06-2012, 13:53 #59Junior Member
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Returning to the original question, the RAC is about to undergo a fundamental change not seen since the early 1990s. The regiments you have listed are unlikely to survive in their present format. Indeed, the recruiting grapevine says that the 9/12 Lancers have been turning away the typical 'family officer', saying that the Regiment will be almagamated or disbanded by the time he tried to join.
As an FR officer working in recruitment, I should say that every potential officer will be judged on his performance and potential, but it does not always run this way. In each mess there are some officers who have been picked because the Colonel of the Regiment (CoR) served with their father/uncle/dog, but equally there are a good proportion who have no military link but are excited by the FR role.
The choice comes down increasingly to the judgement of the CoR, who as a retired general usually understands the needs of his Regiment. It should lead to a balance of driven officers with a similar mindset and maintain a regimental ethos. It does not always work this way - the CoR who turned down the Sword of Honour winner at RMAS to take a former general's son in the bottom bottom third did not help the respective cause.
My recommendation is give it six months, by which time more will be known and the amalgamations will have been announced. You are likely to have a choice of 3-4 regiments to approach and a meeting with CoR, officers and soldiers of the regiment will give you and them a chance to see whether you are compatible.
Lastly, the attitude of 'I want to join a big group of chinless wonders' is likely to lead to a universal review of 'bellend' from those you meet. We still play silly games and drink more than we should at times, but also have to work especially hard when alongside the rest of the Army to counter the sterotypes. You will be identified as baggage quickly and discarded. I am sure it was a throw away comment, but it only takes one stupid remark to change people's perception and convince them you are not for them.
Enough of that, I'm off to play hunt the chin. May be gone some time.




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