Thread: Legion Of Frontiersmen?

I think that they have all recieved their secret instructions from Roger Pocock to go and spy on the dastardly Hun. The one sitting down on the box stolen from the War Department is quite overcome and feels faint as he only signed up for the uniform and medals. The one on the horse is saying "I'm getting the f~ck out of here before the Germans take us for real soldiers and start shooting!" The one sitting down on the left is reading a letter from Mr Silverman's Gentleman's Expedition Emporium telling him that his size 8 stetson is out of stock and will he accept a pith helmet in its stead.

Originally Posted by londonirish

In my haste, I forgot to mention the following. The picture has some very interesting, if hidden points.



The chap standing up, looking at the map, seems older by dint of his handsome grey moustache, and a little embarrassed. As if he is looking for a moment to broach a subject, or maybe just ask for some quiet time during which to "grasp the nettle", out of sight of the smart tented encampment. In the bush, well not quite, or at least trying to find a replacement for female solace, if you will.

The younger one is sitting an a crate which is quite clearly marked. It says "I..N" as in "in" and has a handy arrow, pointing at the younger man's derriere. Is this, I ask myself, the real, almost Baden-Powellesque, secret of the Legion?

Are they all at it?

Scouting for men?

Originally Posted by londonirish

Originally Posted by EX_STAB

Originally Posted by Toranaga

Originally Posted by Gunner82

Originally Posted by пере�тройка

My live-in lover was stranded in her stalled car when she was in London yesterday and helped by a man who turned out to be a Frontiersman.

He pushed her car to a safe place and alerted the RAC on her behalf. As he was dressed in a blue shirt, beige combat trousers and Assault Boots she asked him who he was and what uniform he was wearing. She is in a position to ask when she shows her warrant card, even though she is a Special Constable in the West Midlands! He answered with his name and the fact he was a Frontiersman. She was surprised he was not in combats or Blues, as I was when she told me. Sadly, she did know to ask what sort of Frontiersman. Is he one of your men, Wild_Bill?

Now if this is one of Wild Bills chaps it would appear to meet the criteria of being useful without wearing service uniform. Blue shirt and tan combats would mimic
the original Frontiersmen working dress and I am sure that no member of the ARRSE mess would object to this. The only problem I have is could this man be a camouflaged or more to point a non camouflaged splitter as it would appear the IOC Frontierspersons are dispensing with uniform and medals, well at least in Australia.

I have met Wild Bill and he is sane and sensible ex service chap and is trying to change the organisation into one with a useful role however unless the rest of the Frontierspersons also change what will happen I suspect nothing and the good chaps like W_B will disappear to be replaced by more walts. Now if we still had the Home Service Force I suspect Wild Bill would have been a member with no doubt a considerable number of other Frontierspersons.

I have a moral dilemma my view is W_B should be supported in his efforts to change the Frontierspersons into a organisation for helping the community, but we should without hesitation crush the other manifestations of the Frontiersmen. Now I appreciate that I shall gather more ordure than Mrs Gunner shovelled out of the stables this weekend but should we not support W_B in his efforts to be a bringer of change?

Someone's stolen a march on us, a 12-strong unit of CMO. We've removed all spurious medals and stopped the use of camouflage.

I'd like to make contact with this chap. I doubt he's IOC, but the look's too progressive for someone from CMO!

Good for you Toranaga - you've probably gone 30% of the way to rehabilitating your organisation. Finding an active "field" role and not muscling in on remembrance parades/demanding salutes from the armed forces etc. will get you to about 95% I would suggest. If that sounds harsh and negative it's not intended to - I congratulate you on taking a step in the right direction.

Best wishes,

Ex STAB

Toranga, you are the victim of a humungous wah....or maybe the author of one...

EX-STAB, you should know better, but were no doubt too excited by telling us all that you are allowed to have a rifle, and railling against those who wrote to you about it, to notice.

The Man With the Russian Name , <translates "reconstruction" also known as "perestroika", which is how we write it. Not to be confused with "glasnost" the direct translation of which is 'open my butt cheeks and see the splendour of Mother Russia' >

may be a junior staff officer with not much to do.

Or he might be ex-BSSO. They are clever, well edjumakated, can be snide when in disguise, and very very dangerous. They also buy cheap drinks for younger more gullible men having invited them to seen-better-days London Clubs

Then again, he might just be a tosser with a part-time-fuzz bint living in his dingy Midland bed-sit putting her truncheon where she shouldn't and using her cuffs in non-ordnanced manner. Good luck to him I say, this is England, after all. Issa free country innit?

Still and all, he seems fun.

Toranga I am afraid that I have stolen a march on you Sirrah, oh yes, please see my earlier posts about my own online sub-sub-banana-split-unit of Sobranie-smoking steely-eyed, civvy-wearing daredevils, (CIVVIES; Completely Insane Very Very Inbred Ex Soldiers).

However, I strongly suspect that your own post is a monumental wah, and good luck to you, for these pages are easy pickings.

London Irish - I'm sure that made sense to you at 11.25 last night but could you now translate it for the rest of us?

Originally Posted by londonirish

Scouting for men?

Surely Alternative Scouting for Men?

Originally Posted by Gunner82

I have a moral dilemma my view is W_B should be supported in his efforts to change the Frontierspersons into a organisation for helping the community, but we should without hesitation crush the other manifestations of the Frontiersmen. Now I appreciate that I shall gather more ordure than Mrs Gunner shovelled out of the stables this weekend but should we not support W_B in his efforts to be a bringer of change?

I agree with you, Gunner82. What is detestable about the generality of all incarnations of the LofF is their penchant for pseudo militarism and over-inflated claims about their current (and past) utility. If they lose the chocolate medals, the ranks and the James Bond fantasies, I'm happy for them to crack on with whatever they want to do.

Originally Posted by EX_STAB

Originally Posted by doomsayer

Originally Posted by Wild_Bill_Frontiersman

I am based in London, England. If anyone would like to meet me for a sensible debate and to question me face to face, here I am.

Wild Bill.

Bill - Are you the 'CO' in this picture?

Well it won't come as a surprise to anyone here but these liars do not "Work with the London Fire and Civil Defence Authority"
The London Fire and Civil defence Authority ceased to exist in July 2000 and was replaced by the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority.

I asked LFEPA for a full list of the organisations they worked with and they referred me to this page of their website:

partner LFEPA Partner organisations. No mention of LoF

London Resilience provided a list of Voluntary agencies that they work with: Red Cross, SJA, WRVS, CRUSE Bereavment care, Salvation Army, Victim Support, RNLI and RSPCA. No LoF of course.

Just for good measure the Emergency Planning College appears never to have heard of them.

Could someone point this out to East Ham and District RBL if they're in the area?

They meet at 8pm on Tuesdays at West Ham Supporters Club,
Castle Street
East Ham
London
E8 1PP

Chairman:
Mr. B. Marsh
Secretary:
Mr. K. Hill

The second one from the left is the vice chairman of that branch, so they don't really need it pointing out. See here http://www.btinternet.com/~easthamrbl/Contact.htm

oops

cancel my last - he is a member of RIBA

but saying that, did he serve to get those medals (UNICYIP,GSM,QSJM) or are they LoF medals? If he did serve then he must have gone to Uni after getting out to become an architect (that takes about 5 years normally - full time)

Originally Posted by CunningLinguist

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How does RBL centrally deal with this sort of thing? VM got fobbed off I recall. This is a prime example of LoF using the good name of the RBL to promote themselves.

Edit to pull CunningLiguist's withdrawn statement.

Originally Posted by londonirish

In my haste, I forgot to mention the following. The picture has some very interesting, if hidden points.



The chap standing up, looking at the map, seems older by dint of his handsome grey moustache, and a little embarrassed. As if he is looking for a moment to broach a subject, or maybe just ask for some quiet time during which to "grasp the nettle", out of sight of the smart tented encampment. In the bush, well not quite, or at least trying to find a replacement for female solace, if you will.

The younger one is sitting an a crate which is quite clearly marked. It says "I..N" as in "in" and has a handy arrow, pointing at the younger man's derriere. Is this, I ask myself, the real, almost Baden-Powellesque, secret of the Legion?

Are they all at it?

Dear Londonirish, I resemble that remark! The tall, good-looking older gentleman standing up is me, (as Gunner can testify) and I am not reading a map. I am checking my resignation letter to ensure that I have spelled the words Role, Corps, Corpse, and Core correctly, in case it falls into the hands of Cpl Ripper. Sadly, the word f*ckwittery was quite beyond my limited abilities, but I am working on it. The young man sitting on the tea-chest which is clearly marked as containing tea (I.M. = Indian Madras) with a crows-foot proving that it was picked by native hand has just received some very sad news from home, informing him that matron has received his laundry but that she is quite out of lye soap and so cannot do it until the clipper docks next week. Also, there will be no food parcel this week as there is a moratorium on jellied eels. You will appreciate that this is devastating news for a London east-end boy.

The chap on the horse was passing through on his way home from Isandhlwana to advise that some African tourists are on their way to see us and we should get the kettle on. He was very sorry not to be able to stay but asked us to pass-on his regards.

Finally, the picture was taken on Salisbury Plain three weeks ago last Thursday when we were the moving-target-party for the fire-power demonstration. The ringing in my ears is getting better and the knee-length puttees work wonders for keeping my boots reasonably free of the brown stuff.

Well I got a degree and qualified as a chartered surveyor which takes just as long) after getting two of those medals whilst I was a regular, so its perfectly possible.

I also note that he runs their poppy appeal every year and raises about £25k pa, so that suggests he works hard at it and is committed to the Local RBL.

RIBA and RIAS aren't going to be interested, why should they be? Christ, unless he's doing something to bring the profession into disrepute (which basically means something unlawful) its none of their business. I can't see why RBL would have a problem either. He isn't making claims, or at least there is no evidence he has, to be something he isn't, and their is evidence that the guy does a good deal to support the RBL.

I'd say it might be interesting to send a message to him via the branch website, although I'd suggest a polite one rather than "oi you walt", to find out why he joined the LoF.

It took 7 years to become a Chartered Architect, I work both in London and Scotland that is why I am both RIBA and ARIAS.

I work very hard for the poppy appeal every year, this year we lost a large collecting spot and called upon the London LoF to help as I was in them, and Wild Bill had already been collecting cloths for ex-servicemen living rough.

Why did I join, Like Wild Bill, to change them from within, we (City of London) do not profess to be anything other than a civil organisation, willing to assist.

We are in discussion with the London Resisliance Team to try to assist in emergencies within the city as we are proud of it, and would like to assist if it needs us. we have suggested little more than minor tasks, and have not sold ourselves as anything we are not. (a tad mis quoted by the Legion, but that is the press)

I am late of the Royal Engineers, and proud of my 7.5 years, and yes all the medals are mine and issued by the crown.

I dont feel I should have had to say all this, but surely the way to change things is not to slag them of but get involved and change them so they are useful and honest.

...oh and before you start on the nick name, I coach rugby a two clubs in Essex.

Originally Posted by rugbycoach

It took 7 years to become a Chartered Architect, I work both in London and Scotland that is why I am both RIBA and ARIAS.

I work very hard for the poppy appeal every year, this year we lost a large collecting spot and called upon the London LoF to help as I was in them, and Wild Bill had already been collecting cloths for ex-servicemen living rough.

Why did I join, Like Wild Bill, to change them from within, we (City of London) do not profess to be anything other than a civil organisation, willing to assist.

We are in discussion with the London Resisliance Team to try to assist in emergencies within the city as we are proud of it, and would like to assist if it needs us. we have suggested little more than minor tasks, and have not sold ourselves as anything we are not. (a tad mis quoted by the Legion, but that is the press)

I am late of the Royal Engineers, and proud of my 7.5 years, and yes all the medals are mine and issued by the crown.

I dont feel I should have had to say all this, but surely the way to change things is not to slag them of but get involved and change them so they are useful and honest.

...oh and before you start on the nick name, I coach rugby a two clubs in Essex.

Hi RC,

Welcome to Arrse.

Regarding not slagging people off but rather getting involved I would say that the aspects I consider unacceptable I have slagged off - I have also given credit where it is due and offered practical and sensible proposals for real world roles that LoF could fulfill. I'd consider the latter to be constructive criticism - forgive me for not joining up...

If you want to turn LoF (whatever branch) into a respected, uniformed body that has a real world field role, makes a clear distinction between internal and external awards, ensures that its uniforms are not likely to be mistaken for those of HM's armed forces and cease to demand salutes from HM armed forces and others outwith your organisation I think there will be few here that will criticise you.

I note that you say that "the way to change things is not to slag them of but get involved and change them so they are useful and honest." Would you say that the ARRSE campaign has been a catalyst in rehabilitating your organisation?

Best wishes for your campaign to turn the LoF into an organisation worthy of the ideals of its founder.

Ex STAB

Originally Posted by londonirish

Originally Posted by EX_STAB

Originally Posted by Toranaga

Originally Posted by Gunner82

Originally Posted by пере�тройка

My live-in lover was stranded in her stalled car when she was in London yesterday and helped by a man who turned out to be a Frontiersman.

He pushed her car to a safe place and alerted the RAC on her behalf. As he was dressed in a blue shirt, beige combat trousers and Assault Boots she asked him who he was and what uniform he was wearing. She is in a position to ask when she shows her warrant card, even though she is a Special Constable in the West Midlands! He answered with his name and the fact he was a Frontiersman. She was surprised he was not in combats or Blues, as I was when she told me. Sadly, she did know to ask what sort of Frontiersman. Is he one of your men, Wild_Bill?

Now if this is one of Wild Bills chaps it would appear to meet the criteria of being useful without wearing service uniform. Blue shirt and tan combats would mimic
the original Frontiersmen working dress and I am sure that no member of the ARRSE mess would object to this. The only problem I have is could this man be a camouflaged or more to point a non camouflaged splitter as it would appear the IOC Frontierspersons are dispensing with uniform and medals, well at least in Australia.

I have met Wild Bill and he is sane and sensible ex service chap and is trying to change the organisation into one with a useful role however unless the rest of the Frontierspersons also change what will happen I suspect nothing and the good chaps like W_B will disappear to be replaced by more walts. Now if we still had the Home Service Force I suspect Wild Bill would have been a member with no doubt a considerable number of other Frontierspersons.

I have a moral dilemma my view is W_B should be supported in his efforts to change the Frontierspersons into a organisation for helping the community, but we should without hesitation crush the other manifestations of the Frontiersmen. Now I appreciate that I shall gather more ordure than Mrs Gunner shovelled out of the stables this weekend but should we not support W_B in his efforts to be a bringer of change?

Someone's stolen a march on us, a 12-strong unit of CMO. We've removed all spurious medals and stopped the use of camouflage.

I'd like to make contact with this chap. I doubt he's IOC, but the look's too progressive for someone from CMO!

Good for you Toranaga - you've probably gone 30% of the way to rehabilitating your organisation. Finding an active "field" role and not muscling in on remembrance parades/demanding salutes from the armed forces etc. will get you to about 95% I would suggest. If that sounds harsh and negative it's not intended to - I congratulate you on taking a step in the right direction.

Best wishes,

Ex STAB

Toranga, you are the victim of a humungous wah....or maybe the author of one...

EX-STAB, you should know better, but were no doubt too excited by telling us all that you are allowed to have a rifle, and railling against those who wrote to you about it, to notice.

The Man With the Russian Name , <translates "reconstruction" also known as "perestroika", which is how we write it. Not to be confused with "glasnost" the direct translation of which is 'open my butt cheeks and see the splendour of Mother Russia' >

may be a junior staff officer with not much to do.

Or he might be ex-BSSO. They are clever, well edjumakated, can be snide when in disguise, and very very dangerous. They also buy cheap drinks for younger more gullible men having invited them to seen-better-days London Clubs

Then again, he might just be a tosser with a part-time-fuzz bint living in his dingy Midland bed-sit putting her truncheon where she shouldn't and using her cuffs in non-ordnanced manner. Good luck to him I say, this is England, after all. Issa free country innit?

Still and all, he seems fun.

Toranga I am afraid that I have stolen a march on you Sirrah, oh yes, please see my earlier posts about my own online sub-sub-banana-split-unit of Sobranie-smoking steely-eyed, civvy-wearing daredevils, (CIVVIES; Completely Insane Very Very Inbred Ex Soldiers).

However, I strongly suspect that your own post is a monumental wah, and good luck to you, for these pages are easy pickings.

You should be on the streets telling fortunes and selling lucky heather!

So, RC, you are wrong about defending yourself. With the lies posted on official LoF websites members should speak up. A change from within is exactly what the LoF needs and I really do hope that you suceed. I'm also glad that you didn't wear any LoF medals. As an ex squaddie, of an age when we only got a few hard earned medals, I take offence that LoF members parade at RBL/Remembrance ceremonies wearing enough bling to fool the public into thinking that the wearer is a bally hero!

Your comrade on the other hand seems to be wearing a nice collection from the Danbury Mint - if they are badly hung issue medals I will of course apologise (I have a mate - ex Para - and his row of 5 medals look like something from a scrap yard!) - can you confirm?