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**skid2** · 12-07-2011, 20:24

Just had my own question answered.
Ardoyne has indeed kicked off following return of peaceful parade, past, not through Ardoyne.
Police under attack from the usual suspects brick, bottle and molotov.....ok o' molotov. Unsub line is that heavy duty Shinners have been attempting to damp down trouble all day and have failed as the protest has been taken over by hardliners.

**Punch** · 12-07-2011, 20:46

Originally Posted by skid2

Just had my own question answered.
Ardoyne has indeed kicked off following return of peaceful parade, past, not through Ardoyne.
Police under attack from the usual suspects brick, bottle and molotov.....

A long time ago (late 1940's) when I was around 12/13 years old, my Roman Catholic neighbour (and occasional playmate) of the same age, informed me that "There will never be peace in Ireland until all you non-catholics are driven into the sea". It upset me quite a bit as I did not understand what he was talking about.

We stayed friends until he died of cancer in his late 20's but I was never given an opportunity to have an adult discussion with him about this.

And my mother's reaction on listening to me relate this was on the lines of, "Don't listen to him, he's just copying the older ones".

I look in from a distance now but it seems little has changed.

**skid2** · 12-07-2011, 22:03

I'm beginning to think there's no such thing as an adult conversation about this. I still think it's more to do with territory than religion but when you get the usual suspects attempting to justify some of the actions of the people causing the trouble it's difficult not to think it's time to go and live somewhere else, like a cruise ship, France even.
We have journalists with no idea of the depth or width of what went on. They don't know who's who or what happened where. Martin McGuinness is our personable Deputy First Minister and Paisley is a nice old man. Still the best line I have ever heard was one described the actions of the young people on the streets as the result of 'conflict deficit'.
And you're probably right Punch nothing much has changed but last year they pulled out all the stops, rioted for three nights and still couldn't spread it further than Ardoyne. It will be interesting to see how it goes tonight and where else decides to run with it.

**FARMBOY** · 13-07-2011, 15:05

Originally Posted by Dicey

Excellent idea....just as long as all the English feckers living in Scotland/Wales/NI feck-off back to England.

Excellent idea - I'm quite happy to have anyone from the home nations living in an independant England but if you want to thow a bit of FRY style cleansing into the mix then I agree with the above as long as the English can reciprocate and return home nationals from whence they came too

**British_And_Proud** · 13-07-2011, 19:23

Originally Posted by FARMBOY

Excellent idea - I'm quite happy to have anyone from the home nations living in an independant England but if you want to thow a bit of FRY style cleansing into the mix then I agree with the above as long as the English can reciprocate and return home nationals from whence they came too

By the time you get rid of all the illegal immigrants and the Polish, Lithuanians etc, there'll be nobody left in England to be an independent state.

**Punch** · 13-07-2011, 19:53

Originally Posted by skid2

I'm beginning to think there's no such thing as an adult conversation about this.

I discovered this a long time ago!

(And if we are expecting it through this medium (ARRSE/internet) we are delusional).

**FARMBOY** · 13-07-2011, 21:05

Originally Posted by British_And_Proud

By the time you get rid of all the illegal immigrants and the Polish, Lithuanians etc, there'll be nobody left in England to be an independent state.

At least we would not be funding home nations that are no longer viable economically. England does not need just English people to constitute an independant state, more importantly the State of England needs to keep the wealth it generates rather than subsidise home nations that should be standing on their own feet or cutting their cloth accordingly.

The home nations are economic millstones that England should not be paying for. As I say tax revenue raised in NI should pay for NI services, Wales the same etc.