- 12-07-2011, 20:24 #101
Just had my own question answered.
Ardoyne has indeed kicked off following return of peaceful parade, past, not through Ardoyne.
Police under attack from the usual suspects brick, bottle and molotov.....ok o' molotov. Unsub line is that heavy duty Shinners have been attempting to damp down trouble all day and have failed as the protest has been taken over by hardliners.
- 12-07-2011, 20:46 #102
We stayed friends until he died of cancer in his late 20's but I was never given an opportunity to have an adult discussion with him about this.
And my mother's reaction on listening to me relate this was on the lines of, "Don't listen to him, he's just copying the older ones".
I look in from a distance now but it seems little has changed.Dulce Est Desipere in Loco
- 12-07-2011, 22:03 #103
I'm beginning to think there's no such thing as an adult conversation about this. I still think it's more to do with territory than religion but when you get the usual suspects attempting to justify some of the actions of the people causing the trouble it's difficult not to think it's time to go and live somewhere else, like a cruise ship, France even.
We have journalists with no idea of the depth or width of what went on. They don't know who's who or what happened where. Martin McGuinness is our personable Deputy First Minister and Paisley is a nice old man. Still the best line I have ever heard was one described the actions of the young people on the streets as the result of 'conflict deficit'.
And you're probably right Punch nothing much has changed but last year they pulled out all the stops, rioted for three nights and still couldn't spread it further than Ardoyne. It will be interesting to see how it goes tonight and where else decides to run with it.
- 13-07-2011, 15:05 #104
- 13-07-2011, 19:23 #105"I am not an Ulsterman but yesterday, the 1st. July, as I followed their amazing attack, I felt that I would rather be an Ulsterman than anything else in the world."
Cpt Wilfred Spender 2nd July 1916
"Throughout the long years of struggle ... the men of Ulster have proved how nobly they fight and die"
King George V
- 13-07-2011, 19:53 #106
- 13-07-2011, 21:05 #107
The home nations are economic millstones that England should not be paying for. As I say tax revenue raised in NI should pay for NI services, Wales the same etc.