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Originally Posted by bluntslane

Don't want to butt in too much, but that phrase was used as a disparaging remark by my granma in Liverpool years before I joined up, so it may have very little relevance to your time in green.

Just a bit on Werewolfs comment though, if I needed a stab vest and had a figure like that copper's, I'd ask for a longer one to help prevent me getting stabbed in the barrage balloon. Surely in this dreadful PC H&S world we have to dwell in, some pedant has done a gut/protection Risk Assessment and declared either the vest or the gut "Not Fit For Purpose".

When they were originally fitted in my farce ( lord knows how we dealt with knifemen before stab vests). I was told by the person doing the fitting that they were cut like that so they didn't ride up on you neck whilst sitting in a car.
Needless to say I informed them that I could live with that. That bit of exposed gut is the only place I've ever actually seen a colleague stabbed in.
You are right though it's not a flattering picture.

Originally Posted by Boumer

Not you mate!

#296 boiled my sprouts a bit.



I totally agree. I hate that look, nothing wrong with shirts and ties. Makes everyone look a bit professional. When they start having cargo pants it's a thin line to thinking they can act like that balacalava clad cock when they are actually at a shoplifting!



Totally. And sadly, every time someone thinks that I worry another jury trial is being lost somewhere because police don't look professional. That's why I put up Sir Richard Mayne earlier


Cutting around on blue lights in Universal Soldier outfits is not the way forward-but with less cops and being judged on response times, that's all that there's going to be. Furthering the disctance between police and public, one will only see the other when it has gone utterly wrong.

Boumer, Im guessing from your posts youre a suit.

Nothing wrong with shirt and tie?

Dont be a mug, Shirts and ties are fking inappropriate for day to day response policing, primarily due to the collar and tie sticking in your throat whilst driving in body armour

Sadly due to the prevalence of knife crime and knife assaults on officers (Ive had attempts at stabbing me 3 times) body armour is a must.

Unfortunately the current Met design of body armour, was, funnily enough, a very cheap one, so it looks shite and its one-size-fits-no-fucker.

Same with the shite belt-kit.

The new 'National Standard' body armour is very good however, and in an amazing bit of joint up thinking will apparently be UK wide, it looks good and is breatheable. It's less 'Universal Soldier' as you put it.

Personally I think they should invest in a waist length jacket for officers and have body armour that fits under that easily, preferably with pouches on it to store stick, cuffs and one day Taser. Either that or pay more for the folding cuffs that dont stick out like the current lot.

I think how an officer looks (in terms of approachability) is much less important than comfort and ability to do the job, but if we must worship at the bullshit altar of appearences then it should be kit that works and is fit for purpose.

Collar and ties are NOT fit for day to day patrolling.

Originally Posted by bluntslane

Don't want to butt in too much, but that phrase was used as a disparaging remark by my granma in Liverpool years before I joined up, so it may have very little relevance to your time in green.

.

But where does it come from?

Originally Posted by Blokeonabike

I am also not convinced the "body armour" indicated is anything more than a Molle "assault vest". Even if it is ballistic protection of some sort, it barely gives any coverage. As for two pistols, can someone remind us just how many suspects there were in this incident. The term cowboy cannot be used for this chap without gravely insulting cowboys.

Blackhawk Plate Carrier.

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Originally Posted by hogspawn

Boumer, Im guessing from your posts youre a suit.

Collar and ties are NOT fit for day to day patrolling.

Yep.

But prior to that I did response when it was the "white shirts free-fall display team" outside pubs every friday and saturday night.

I wore a MetVest and belt order (even before the overt outside carrier, when I started it was the white undershirt job).

The new overt one never bothered me, the undershirt one you couldn't take off was a pain in the arse.

Maybe I have a mutant body shape! Dunno.

We used to have the standard "mad PC" that each station seems to have that worked response in a tunic. That is going a bit far.

Originally Posted by Boumer

Yep.

But prior to that I did response when it was the "white shirts free-fall display team" outside pubs every friday and saturday night.

I wore a MetVest and belt order (even before the overt outside carrier, when I started it was the white undershirt job).

The new overt one never bothered me, the undershirt one you couldn't take off was a pain in the arse.

Maybe I have a mutant body shape! Dunno.

We used to have the standard "mad PC" that each station seems to have that worked response in a tunic. That is going a bit far.

Well as the undershirt body armour (which bizarrely we're banned from wearing in uniform!!) is cut lower than the daft overt armour cover, it's more comfortable to me, shirts when spending a 10 hr shift driving or hopping in and out of an area car is fking uncomforatable.

Strangely, the massive heavier 'ballistic' AFO armour sets are a shitload more comfortable but look 'too aggressive' so not allowed.

Originally Posted by hogspawn

Well as the undershirt body armour (which bizarrely we're banned from wearing in uniform!!) is cut lower than the daft overt armour cover, it's more comfortable to me, shirts when spending a 10 hr shift driving or hopping in and out of an area car is fking uncomforatable.

Strangely, the massive heavier 'ballistic' AFO armour sets are a shitload more comfortable but look 'too aggressive' so not allowed.

The ways of the seniors who decide these things are strange.

I used to repeat the words of Bill Slim at "meet the SMT" sessions ("Dead Generals are very good for soldiers morale") until asked not to.

Originally Posted by hogspawn

But where does it come from?

I honestly don't know, but in the interests of humour and making shit up, if you do an impersonation of me Gran saying , "Ey Bluntsy, yer don wanner knock round widdim, he's a fuckin nomaaark", (picturing a 90 yr old, 5 feet 2 pensioner, less meat on her than a butchers pencil, speaking in a broad Scouse accent) you may come to the conclusion that it's either a Northern or even a Scouse put-down.