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Discuss The (balaclava-clad) face of modern British policing, or SF guys? in The NAAFI Bar on The Army Rumour Service; Originally Posted by chocolate_frog The 'I ran out of rounds' comment came from the Irranian Embassy siege... Are you sure? The number of rounds fired during the Iranian Embassy seige was never an issue. The ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolate_frog View Post
    The 'I ran out of rounds' comment came from the Irranian Embassy siege...
    Are you sure? The number of rounds fired during the Iranian Embassy seige was never an issue. The information that a target was shot after the fact - unarmed and walking down the stairs with the hostages did not enter the public domain until years later.

    However the number of rounds fired at the IRA team in Gibraltar was the subject of conjecture and criticsm. Chiefly the issue was raised in the documentary 'Death on The Rock. Hence the Private Eye joke.

    Unless of course the cartoon was based on a comment made by one of the CRW team in the embassy, which is possible I concede.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boumer View Post
    Stick to Call of Duty or wherever you get your tactical advice mate.

    Meanwhile, back in the real world.
    And, please don't be all arrogant and look down on me because I was not able to join the Army. Joining as a REME/RE officer was the first thing on my mind when I graduated from uni as an engineer. Sadly I have lower back pain and eczema so it wasn't happening.

    So I have to rely on people who've been there and done that to learn about the soldiering aspects of any inventions I come up with, or any other aspects other than the technical which is my strength. We may not agree on everything but we are on the same side. Perhaps something for you to keep in mind before you add more scorn to your posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samain11 View Post
    Damn right they are, there never has been a need for them, we have "them" for this sort of work, It is the core of a private army that is effectively above the law and I wonder if it was formed because "they" were seen as unreliable for dirty or politically motivated work against fellow citizens, a back-handed compliment if ever there was one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndependentBoffin View Post
    And, please don't be all arrogant and look down on me because I was not able to join the Army. Joining as a REME/RE officer was the first thing on my mind when I graduated from uni as an engineer. Sadly I have lower back pain and eczema so it wasn't happening.

    So I have to rely on people who've been there and done that to learn about the soldiering aspects of any inventions I come up with, or any other aspects other than the technical which is my strength. We may not agree on everything but we are on the same side. Perhaps something for you to keep in mind before you add more scorn to your posts.
    Well that'll keep me awake at night!

    Actually it's your apparently well-thumbed bible that gets up my hooter (see posts passim, as Private Eye would put it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndependentBoffin View Post
    And, please don't be all arrogant and look down on me because I was not able to join the Army. Joining as a REME/RE officer was the first thing on my mind when I graduated from uni as an engineer. Sadly I have lower back pain and eczema so it wasn't happening.

    So I have to rely on people who've been there and done that to learn about the soldiering aspects of any inventions I come up with, or any other aspects other than the technical which is my strength. We may not agree on everything but we are on the same side. Perhaps something for you to keep in mind before you add more scorn to your posts.
    Lots of squaddies are spotty, never stopped them getting in..... The lower back pain usually came later though.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boumer View Post
    Well that'll keep me awake at night!

    Actually it's your apparently well-thumbed bible that gets up my hooter (see posts passim, as Private Eye would put it).
    What's this? 'johnny come latelys' turning up and abusing established members... not only that they are plod!

    Seriously though, I think IndyBoff did raise a good point regarding ID. With regards to warrant cards I've seen a few in the past but I wouldn't able to spot a fake one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigeye View Post
    Are you sure? The number of rounds fired during the Iranian Embassy seige was never an issue. The information that a target was shot after the fact - unarmed and walking down the stairs with the hostages did not enter the public domain until years later.

    However the number of rounds fired at the IRA team in Gibraltar was the subject of conjecture and criticsm. Chiefly the issue was raised in the documentary 'Death on The Rock. Hence the Private Eye joke.

    Unless of course the cartoon was based on a comment made by one of the CRW team in the embassy, which is possible I concede.
    I thought the term 'I ran out of rounds' came from a documentry made about Op Nimrod in around the late 80s. The bloke who brassed up the 'pot-bomber' was intervied (in the dark) and teh question was posed... to which he answerd the immortal phrase.

    Given the concern over the 'liquising' rather than 'liquidating' of the terrorists on the rock I think any Trooper making such a statment in the enquiry in to Op Flavious would be... ill advised.

    I am pretty sure that the comment was made about Nimrod, but Private Eye has transposed it on to Flavious... the picture is of blokes in a 'Nimmrod' style pose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolate_frog View Post
    I thought the term 'I ran out of rounds' came from a documentry made about Op Nimrod in around the late 80s. The bloke who brassed up the 'pot-bomber' was intervied (in the dark) and teh question was posed... to which he answerd the immortal phrase.

    Given the concern over the 'liquising' rather than 'liquidating' of the terrorists on the rock I think any Trooper making such a statment in the enquiry in to Op Flavious would be... ill advised.

    I am pretty sure that the comment was made about Nimrod, but Private Eye has transposed it on to Flavious... the picture is of blokes in a 'Nimmrod' style pose.
    So the joke was based on the comments made by one of the Nimrod team butis supposed to refer to the Op Flavious enquiry. The PE art department just used the first photo they could find that looked like the SAS - which as you say appears to be a CRW team preparing for a Nimrod style breach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BONNACON View Post
    Back on the ID stuff I'm a bit concerned about that. Why carn't each team have an assigned 3 number code so that within a team you could ID an indivdual. Their mums could sew it on their ski masks or if they Have to have police on the BA why not on that. It would also stop some walt nutter joining in the fun.
    They don't have shoulder numbers up for the same reason SF wouldn't. To avoid ID.

    What's the point of having a balaclava on whilst having shoulder numbers up when another day you might be working without a balaclava and have the same numbers up- people would then see your face.

    Instead, on ops like these, officers often have a specific-to-each-op number eg No1 for this Op is John Smith, Number 2 is Dave etc etc. they will often have this number displayed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boumer View Post
    Too be fair, that suspect had already killed one police officer and shot and the SWAT team when they cornered him in a wood.

    Suicide by cop there, I think.

    The sheriff (IIRR) also said his death was natural causes; 'When you're shot that many times, death is the natural outcome' or words to that effect.

    Think everyone was a bit emotional that day, but still I think that sort of behaviour would cause a national outcry. One bloke gets a backhander and dies (to be blunt) and there's manslaughter.

    Fortunately, that was an un-armed PC...see where my cynical, jaded and hateful little mind is going?
    I never said I disagreed with the Sheriff. Anyway, the scumbag also shot and killed a police dog, which should carry an automatic death penalty, IMHO.
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