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Originally Posted by ugly

Ah if they were really good they wouldnt have to borrow the local range and try to hide bullet holes in the baffles, ceilings and various other places and then demand the CCTV is wiped!

West Mids!!!!

Kingsbury or Wedgnock? I need to know!

Baffles at Kingsbury?
If I said neither would it give it away?

Kingsbury Ranges, there's a blast from the past. I have spent some very happy and also some very wet days there. That'll be where my R Signals (V) team with iron sights did better than a local Inf outfit at a Bde SAAM many years ago, and also whre one of my Soldiers ran over my tent in a LR, although he claims he was certain I wasn't in it at the time...

Originally Posted by ugly

The RUC and current PSNI police traditionally and its the fact that law and order were to be upheld that kept the province from sinking in blood. There is no comparisom between Bradford and Tower Hamlets and Ballymurphy and the Bogside.
There isnt the same wall of silence here in communities and you can also spot 9 times out of 10 the person likely to be a Muslim rather than a catholic if 9 are white and 1 isnt!
its no longer policing by consent when the police break the law!

Who said anything about Muslims/Bradford/Tower Hamlets?

I'd also like to ask you to consider doing two things:

1) Work in Counter Terrorism - Your ability to spot a terrorist (You said Muslim but I think you may have been confused) would be a useful skill.

2) Offer to give your families address to a suspected terrorist first... Just to test the water.

Contrary to your initial statement the RUC/PSNI/British Army in NI were no angels and didn't follow policy to the letter. They quite often made sensible decisions to maximise their own safety or reduce the safety of their foes.

I'm sorry you feel so aggrieved by the Police Service that you would actually let Police Officers taking steps to protect themselves and their families get your back up...

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sussex police covered themselves in glory at gatwick came out during an equal opps commission:( and the shooting unarmed scousers.
Although the army cannot really crow much about safe compentant firearms handaling.

cop team leaving an hk 33 outside a warehouse they were robbing. officer leavibng pistol in toliet. etc etc.
me being allowed live ammo and even a milan on numerous occasions ( fairly sure duty of care was breached on those occasions to anyone in the the adjacent grid squares :(.

Originally Posted by Closet_Jibber

A very good idea as I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet but we're not required to display or give collar numbers or names when arresting suspected terrorists....

I'm sure I've misunderstood you, but for example PACE CODE A (Conduct of Searches) 3.8 (B) does state (insofar as practicable) prior to search the officer must supply details including;

the officer’s name (except in the case of enquiries linked to the investigation
of terrorism, or otherwise where the officer reasonably believes that giving his
or her name might put him or her in danger, in which case a warrant or other
identification number shall be given) and the name of the police station to which
the officer is attached;

Now, I may well have misunderstood the point; but I am fairly sure that at least a warrant or other identify number must be given. It certainly will be required for arrest record and charge sheet, for example.

Nowhere am I asking officers to put themsevles in danger, but I do think it a bit funny with the Met's "Army of Occupation" approach (where it rare to police where you live). I mean, I live in my area in the wretched provinces, and its quite likely I could bump into relatively professional criminals I have taken money off under POCA or sent to prison for quite a while. [Getting off thread, I do apologise]

Like I say, if I have misread your point I do apologise.

Ooops; should have said, reassured about your positive experiences about our friends with firearms. Agree with you about the pens though; up there with irritating "senior PCs" (often ex-rats) who think they have evovled past the power of arrest)

Doesnt get my back up, but plod breaking their own rules and the law is a sure start on the slide to a 2 tier society.
I was actually fairly convinced that this had already happened with Maggie politicisng the Police in the early 80s and the creation of the political classes in the 60s.
Those political classes made up of party servants who never held a job outside of the party machine obviously needed protecting and ACPO being publicly funded provided the trough to ensure that the greasy pole was there for them to climb.
The recent Winsor announcements have done much to turn this around as rank and file plod realise that they are all to be sacrificed for the senior officers pay and german sports car.
Now dont get me wrong its not a job I would do and yes I did work in counter terrorism and it isnt (wasnt black and white) i do expect that those paid to uphold the law actually do so even if it means they take enormous risks (after all they can always resign and write a book). The risk to this country of terrorism has only grown through Princess Tonys sandpit adventures and could have been totally avoided if the man had an ouce of integrity as Harold Wilson did when refusing to even endorse US action in Vietnam.


Now thats the history lesson dealt with but please dont tell me that its all about personal security. There cant be that many live in tower hamlets and often as with NI you can detain the suspect until formally arrested by a uniform officer. The problem comes when in 2 or 3 years after the arrest the suspect is released and compensated because the copper detaining him broke the law/guidance by not having a badge number on display!

Have it your way balaklava and all. Its a sorry state of play when plod break the law!

Originally Posted by Boumer

Like I say, if I have misread your point I do apologise.

Nope - You've read correctly. As for what was required at the custody suite, you'd have to ask those who locked up.

I'm not going to lie to fill in the blanks, I don't know the details but then if I did I wouldn't be spouting my mouth on the internet to a bunch of potential airsoft walts and pensioners who were in Germany for two years...