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Discuss The (balaclava-clad) face of modern British policing, or SF guys? in The NAAFI Bar on The Army Rumour Service; Originally Posted by ivan_the_tolerable Come on now, fairs fair. i'm sure all that equality and diversity training has equipped them to take on everything that the mean streets of the capital can throw at them. ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ivan_the_tolerable View Post
    Come on now, fairs fair. i'm sure all that equality and diversity training has equipped them to take on everything that the mean streets of the capital can throw at them.
    Have a look at this: MPA: Committees: Communities, Equalities and People Committee reports - 03-Mar-11 (0

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigeye View Post
    Damned cheek! Calling me a reporter is like accusing an NCO of being an officer.
    Ah, so reporters can write without using a ruler, do not think that alligators make allegations and are overall in charge of things
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    Sounds similar to the Prevent counter-terrorism initiatives that have been undertaken.

    Four posts on the team. Fantastic for PDR I suppose, or spots for the "old and bold" or recuperative duties. Winsor recomendations will make sure that they're replaced by civillian staff.

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    About 17-18 years ago I lived in Leathwaite Road, SW11 - and opposite a house which came under some serious police scutiny one Sunday morning.

    20 -odd armed plod hard-targeted the building, and eventually 3 or 4 of them with MP5's shuffled up to the front door behind a ballistic shield. I was expecting them to use a frame charge at least, but, being UK plod - they knocked on the door. They eventually kicked it in , and came out empty handed 5 mins later.

    I found out afterwards that the bloke - a loony with an air pistol - had seen the OB outside, so he dropped his mattress out of his 1st floor window into the back garden, dropped on to it, climbed a few garden fences and then broke into a house. He walked out of the front door, through the police cordon, and scarpered.
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    Back on the ID stuff I'm a bit concerned about that. Why carn't each team have an assigned 3 number code so that within a team you could ID an indivdual. Their mums could sew it on their ski masks or if they Have to have police on the BA why not on that. It would also stop some walt nutter joining in the fun.
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    Sometimes SF are their own worst enemy (not saying that this lot are - especially since it is Glocks and not SIGs). What's wrong with wearing full on crye mtp, military issued plate carriers and helmets, all the kit plus plus. At least you'll look the business, scare the crap out of everyone, and people will know exactly who you are. You can still conceal identities easily enough.
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    SWAT analysis! (geddit?)










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    Quote Originally Posted by Boumer View Post
    I'd love to see that defended in court.

    (Oh, but it never will be!)

    Carry on! More guns! Bigger caliber!

    (I've heard some very intersting stories about their shooting standards. I feel safer on my TA APWT
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    I can't comment on marksmanship, however I was witness to a uniformed firearms copper at a annual public military event wander into the smoking area (it was indoors so this was a few years ago), prop his MP5 against a wall where it promptly fell over, revealing that the safety was off. A large Bootie WO2 who was also having a fag in said area wandered over, and calm as you like asked whether the weapon was made ready, the copper responded with something along the lines of "non-of your business" - cue a massive explosion as the WO2 informed the unfortunate plod that it was very much his business and if there had been an ND in his presence lots of very unpleasant and violent things would have happenened to him etc etc.

    I would have enjoyed the whole thing a lot more if it hadn't been as a result of dangerous behaviour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theblindking View Post
    I can't comment on marksmanship, however I was witness to a uniformed firearms copper at a annual public military event wander into the smoking area (it was indoors so this was a few years ago), prop his MP5 against a wall where it promptly fell over, revealing that the safety was off. A large Bootie WO2 who was also having a fag in said area wandered over, and calm as you like asked whether the weapon was made ready, the copper responded with something along the lines of "non-of your business" - cue a massive explosion as the WO2 informed the unfortunate plod that it was very much his business and if there had been an ND in his presence lots of very unpleasant and violent things would have happenened to him etc etc.

    I would have enjoyed the whole thing a lot more if it hadn't been as a result of dangerous behaviour.
    Not an isolated event. Was minding my own business in my nick one day, when I heard the sound of a pistol being made ready.

    I put my head around a corner to look down the corridor to see a copper with a self-loading pistol in his hand, pointing at an office door.

    The door opened and a friend of mine (who was ex-RGJ) quietly asked if he had just made ready pointing at his office door.

    There was a frank exchange of views.

    Maybe it's me, and I'm not plod-bashing. These are full-time AFOs and the drills do not seem as rigorous as the forces from my admittedly limited exeperience of both green and blue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boumer View Post
    Each individual police force likes to think it has superior training to each other police force.

    Once you get beyond tribal loyalty it can become a source of genuine comedy. Expecially when skills from one force are not "valid" in the other force, and you either have to retrain (at public expense) or just are not allowed to do what you were doing in the other force. I particularly enjoy "national qualifications" not being valid.

    The Met likes to think it is the best. I genuinely heard a long serving and experience D/Sgt stand up in front of a large audience of PCs and say (with some insight)

    "We're the Met and we're the best in this country. But we're shit, so how shit are all the others?"

    It's a bit like one regiment or corps deciding actually, your driving course isn't valid. Hand in your SA80A2 while you're at it. And turn off the computers on your desk too.

    When you realise you're still being paid and won't get called out or required to work overtime when it's not convenient, it can be quite a chuckle.

    As for what the public loose out of this? Bollocks to them, apparently.

    As if the police is run for the benefit of the public?! What am I thinking.
    A mate of mine used to serve with Lothian and Borders. Apparently their Armed Response Unit was told(along with just about every police ARU in the country)that they would have to significantly improve their skills if they were to work with CO19 during mutual aid for the Olympics.

    The response from Lothian and Borders finest was, "We'll try to improve, but we don't know if we can reach the Met's standards when it comes to shooting unarmed Brazilian electricians or drunks armed with a loaded table legs..."
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