If this disabled man can get a job, why can't Whet?

**verticalgyro** · 19-03-2010, 00:17

So, Bugsy.

Care to explain what I have fundamentally wrong about socialism when I expect everyone to give according to his abilities, or will you just answer the easy questions?

**Bugsy** · 19-03-2010, 00:39

Originally Posted by verticalgyro

So, Bugsy.

Care to explain what I have fundamentally wrong about socialism when I expect everyone to give according to his abilities, or will you just answer the easy questions?

Well, you certainly surprised me with that post, Verticalgyro. What with all the usual imbecilic dummies popping in to take their moronic and pointless shots at me.

Anyway, I never said that you have anything fundamentally wrong about Socialism. I said that you seem to have misunderstood a few things. Take your quote â€œeveryone to give according to her/his abilitiesâ€. Whatâ€™s actually meant is that everybody contributes (to society) according to her/his abilities. This contribution doesnâ€™t have to be necessarily connected to the payment of cash, but can just as easily be a neighbour offering to take care of the kids while a wife or husband goes to work or carries out some other necessary task in the community.

But a â€œmistakeâ€ (for want of a better word) often made by folks who grew up in a Capitalist society is that they tend to apply Socialist principles to it without actually taking into account that Capitalism isnâ€™t very keen on promoting any sort of basic solidarity within the social structures, since such a development would reduce the stranglehold of Capitalism and render its propaganda largely ineffective.

The clear advantages of Socialism over Capitalism on a long-term basis can only be fully appreciated when the premise of â€œtotal Socialismâ€ is adopted. Which means that everybody in society is aware of said advantages and agree with the (again long-term) genuine improvements to their everyday lives that Socialism offers. In that situation, Capitalist priorities become largely irrelevant.

MsG

**verticalgyro** · 19-03-2010, 01:07

I fully understand that what is implied is contribute; whether this means a rocket scientist being best employed designing rockets, a steelworker making steel, a miner mining coal, fishermen fishing yadda yadda yadda.

I also understand the importance of a teacher educating, administrators administrating, and lecturers lecturing.

The role of parents, grandparents, carers, families and extended families within society is fully understood too.

What I don't understand is this; If a member of society could feasibly contribute more to the society he lives in, but chooses not to, how can a) this be monitored b) prevented or c) discouraged.

and following on from that

If a member of society truly believes he is providing the most he can to society, but judged by a jury of his peers is not, should that member be forced into another role in society?

and furthermore

should that member of society make an active effort to move away from the employment that the society has chosen for him, can society remove him from the benefits of being a member of that society?

and finally

Does following Socialist dogma but not actively providing to the socialist agenda in a tangible manner (either fiscal or non-fiscal) make ones arguments more or less valid.

~interested of Peckham~

**Ord_Sgt** · 19-03-2010, 08:04

Damn, I missed all the fun last night, I see bugsy is performing to specifications.

**Fat_Cav** · 19-03-2010, 09:31

Aarrrrgghhhhhh!!!

Just read all the posts since mine yestersday and all I can see is more fucking deja vu about Bugsy being a prize cock, being proved a liar (for the umpteenth time) and then, scarily, abiding to points 1-15 on his ARRSEpedia page.

a) That's 10 minutes of my life I won't get back
b) Why does everyone keep feeding this useless trolling cunt?

Please can we just ignore him and hope he'll go away? I know it's tempting, and there's somethign addictive about poking a mong for pleasure but please . . . Enough is Enough!

**flamingo** · 19-03-2010, 11:43

Gone slightly off thread, this one!

**Biped** · 19-03-2010, 12:18

Originally Posted by flamingo

Gone slightly off thread, this one!

Let me help:

Whet is a sponger, he needs to get a paid job and stop making excuses for why he can't do any of the millions of kinds of jobs out there, but can still do plenty of unpaid work, which has a paid equivalent in the real world.

Canvassing for Limp Dems : Canvassing for marketing companies, for money.
Dropping leaflets for the Limp Dems : Dropping leaflets for marketing companies, for money.
BS-ing on internet forums a lot : Shutting up, and becoming a paid researcher for an over-paid MP, for money.

etc etc etc.

**cometcatcher** · 19-03-2010, 12:27

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Narcole...Treatment.aspx

Driving

If you have been diagnosed with narcolepsy, you will have to inform the DVLA and stop driving immediately.

Once your symptoms are under control, you can be reissued with a one, two or three year license. Your condition will have to be regularly reviewed. If you have control of your symptoms for seven years, your full license will be restored.

So, assuming Whet doesn't have his wife/civil partner (you never know with the limp dems!) driving him around in his motability car, his condition is medicated and controlled to the extent that he can navigate a ton and a half of metal at 70 mph, but not not controlled enough to allow him to sit in a call centre or stuff envelopes through letter boxes?

**flamingo** · 19-03-2010, 12:46

Originally Posted by Biped

Originally Posted by flamingo

Gone slightly off thread, this one!

Let me help:

Whet is a sponger, he needs to get a paid job and stop making excuses for why he can't do any of the millions of kinds of jobs out there, but can still do plenty of unpaid work, which has a paid equivalent in the real world.

Canvassing for Limp Dems : Canvassing for marketing companies, for money.
Dropping leaflets for the Limp Dems : Dropping leaflets for marketing companies, for money.
BS-ing on internet forums a lot : Shutting up, and becoming a paid researcher for an over-paid MP, for money.

etc etc etc.

I got that bit - it's the relevance of the last 24 hours worth of posts I fail to get! :D

**Fat_Cav** · 19-03-2010, 12:50

Originally Posted by flamingo

Originally Posted by Biped

Originally Posted by flamingo

Gone slightly off thread, this one!

Let me help:

Whet is a sponger, he needs to get a paid job and stop making excuses for why he can't do any of the millions of kinds of jobs out there, but can still do plenty of unpaid work, which has a paid equivalent in the real world.

Canvassing for Limp Dems : Canvassing for marketing companies, for money.
Dropping leaflets for the Limp Dems : Dropping leaflets for marketing companies, for money.
BS-ing on internet forums a lot : Shutting up, and becoming a paid researcher for an over-paid MP, for money.

etc etc etc.

I got that bit - it's the relevance of the last 24 hours worth of posts I fail to get! :D

Hallelujah! :D

And there's me thinking that Bugsy-Baiting had become an official Olympic event.

**StickyToffeePudding** · 19-03-2010, 13:11

Originally Posted by Fat_Cav

Aarrrrgghhhhhh!!!

Just read all the posts since mine yestersday and all I can see is more fucking deja vu about Bugsy being a prize cock, being proved a liar (for the umpteenth time) and then, scarily, abiding to points 1-15 on his ARRSEpedia page.

a) That's 10 minutes of my life I won't get back
b) Why does everyone keep feeding this useless trolling cunt?

Please can we just ignore him and hope he'll go away? I know it's tempting, and there's somethign addictive about poking a mong for pleasure but please . . . Enough is Enough!

Yeah, soz, my bad in that regard, I dislike both Whet and Bugsy on principle that the first could work but doesn't and the second said his family were topped by the army when they weren't. They both want to play with others whilst ignoring these facts to the point of dismissing them. I feel others should know these facts and decide whether they wish to continue to interact with the wretches in whatever debate is going on.

**Fat_Cav** · 19-03-2010, 13:24

Originally Posted by StickyToffeePudding

Originally Posted by Fat_Cav

Aarrrrgghhhhhh!!!

Just read all the posts since mine yestersday and all I can see is more fucking deja vu about Bugsy being a prize cock, being proved a liar (for the umpteenth time) and then, scarily, abiding to points 1-15 on his ARRSEpedia page.

a) That's 10 minutes of my life I won't get back
b) Why does everyone keep feeding this useless trolling cunt?

Please can we just ignore him and hope he'll go away? I know it's tempting, and there's somethign addictive about poking a mong for pleasure but please . . . Enough is Enough!

Yeah, soz, my bad in that regard, I dislike both Whet and Bugsy on principle that the first could work but doesn't and the second said his family were topped by the army when they weren't. They both want to play with others whilst ignoring these facts to the point of dismissing them. I feel others should know these facts and decide whether they wish to continue to interact with the wretches in whatever debate is going on.

Thanks for the honest and open reply.

I agree with you on the disclosure side for Bugsy but perhaps a O2 tag or a link built into his profile under the 'medals' might help? Also personally I believe he loves it. How dull would his life be if he wasn't baiting the usual crowd on here? I bet he's a fucking bundle of laughs on other Forums too

It's not the idea of any thread trashing that is the main principle of my rant, it's the fact that the same arguements are regurgitated over and over again; Socialist views, dead family, lies, ARRSE Passim Ad Nauseum

**StickyToffeePudding** · 19-03-2010, 13:46

Originally Posted by Fat_Cav

Originally Posted by StickyToffeePudding

Originally Posted by Fat_Cav

Aarrrrgghhhhhh!!!

Just read all the posts since mine yestersday and all I can see is more fucking deja vu about Bugsy being a prize cock, being proved a liar (for the umpteenth time) and then, scarily, abiding to points 1-15 on his ARRSEpedia page.

a) That's 10 minutes of my life I won't get back
b) Why does everyone keep feeding this useless trolling cunt?

Please can we just ignore him and hope he'll go away? I know it's tempting, and there's somethign addictive about poking a mong for pleasure but please . . . Enough is Enough!

Yeah, soz, my bad in that regard, I dislike both Whet and Bugsy on principle that the first could work but doesn't and the second said his family were topped by the army when they weren't. They both want to play with others whilst ignoring these facts to the point of dismissing them. I feel others should know these facts and decide whether they wish to continue to interact with the wretches in whatever debate is going on.

Thanks for the honest and open reply.

I agree with you on the disclosure side for Bugsy but perhaps a O2 tag or a link built into his profile under the 'medals' might help? Also personally I believe he loves it. How dull would his life be if he wasn't baiting the usual crowd on here? I bet he's a fucking bundle of laughs on other Forums too

It's not the idea of any thread trashing that is the main principle of my rant, it's the fact that the same arguements are regurgitated over and over again; Socialist views, dead family, lies, ARRSE Passim Ad Nauseum

True, he does glorify in the attention. As does fcuking Whet!