Sandy should know better.

He was made acting SSM at 4 Fd Amb eleven years ago during the high profile "prawn baguette" incident whereby the CO & SSM were removed from their positions at the unit due to some seemingly tame jokes made to female officers in the unit. I was told the story made the front cover of The Sun, but I heard about it on BFBS when I was en route to 4 from BFG.

I hasten to add that Sandy wasn't involved in the "prawn baguette" incident as he had only been posted to 4 from DMSTC a few weeks before me.

Erm, please feel free to correct me, but bullying is bullying. It can take many forms but always results in one party feeling stressed or upset.

After speaking with a close friend who does know "Sandy", he stated that he always struck him as a polite forthright guy with a steady grip on things and this is somewhat out of character. If it is banter gone wrong then it is sad indeed, but it would not be the first time..

In an age and environment where formal complaints can really do damage (as it has here), it's prudent to dispense with actions that may compromise..

A quick note for "Gren" - Your comments are rude and subjective, you may wish to rethink before posting in a manner that is quite offensive.

If they are innocent. Good luck.

If they aren't. Tough Shit.

Originally Posted by chocolate_frog

Originally Posted by CAARPS

Originally Posted by Tawahi-50

Originally Posted by CAARPS

Shooting from the hip here

It may be something to do with the fact they are always ceremonial that they are allowed to wear awards they have been presented by foreign powers to make visiting heads of state feel good when they see their medals being worn by the queens warders

I don't believe many visiting heads of state get to do the Tower of London guided tour!

Because of course that’s the only thing that the warders do

Why? What do you think they do on top of that?

Notionally they guard prisoners in the tower and the crown jewels, but in reality they only act as tour guides and are a tourist attraction in their own right.

You have a Ravanmaster who looks after the ravans int he tower (without which Britain is ddommed). and they turn out on state occaisions.... where they wear a similar uniform to the Yeoman of the Guard.

I've never seen a Raven in uniform - got any pics?

Originally Posted by eodmatt

I've never seen a Raven in uniform - got any pics?

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[quote="chocolate_frog"]No expert myself, but according to Her Majesties very own website.


http://www.royal.gov.uk/RoyalEventsa...enWarders.aspx

[quote]While their role is usually confined to the Tower of London, the Yeomen Warders do take part in one State ceremony. At Coronations, they form a guard of honour inside the annexe at Westminster Abbey.People get a bit confused with Yeoman Warders and Yeoman of the Guard

Yeomen Warders:

Yeomen Warders are the colourfully-dressed bodyguards on duty at the Tower of London.

While a Royal Guard provided by the Foot Guards mounts on Tower Green every day at noon, the Yeomen Warders provide a ceremonial guard for this ancient Royal palace and fortress.

One of their main ceremonial functions is the daily Ceremony of the Keys. In this ceremony the gates of the Tower of London are secured each night shortly before 10.00 pm by the Chief Yeoman Warder escorted by an armed guard of four men.

After locking the gates, the Chief Yeoman Warder is challenged by a sentry bringing his rifle into the on-guard position.

He allows him to pass after recognising the Chief Warder as the bearer of Queen Elizabeth's keys by saying 'Pass, Queen Elizabeth's keys, and all's well'.

The Chief Yeoman Warder and his escort are met by a ceremonial guard on the Broad Steps near the White Tower, which then presents arms.

The Chief Warder concludes the ceremony by raising his Tudor bonnet and proclaiming 'God preserve Queen Elizabeth', to which all present reply 'Amen'.

The keys are then carried by the Chief Yeoman Warder to safekeeping, whilst the Last Post is sounded.

The ceremony has taken place over the same piece of ground, in war as well as peace, for about 700 years.

Although it is open to the public on application to the Tower of London for invitations, the ceremony is usually heavily booked.

While their role is usually confined to the Tower of London, the Yeomen Warders do take part in one State ceremony. At Coronations, they form a guard of honour inside the annexe at Westminster Abbey.

The State dress uniforms of Yeomen Warders are almost identical to those of the Yeomen of the Guard, but the Yeomen of the Guard can be distinguished by their cross belts worn from the left shoulder.

For everyday duties, Yeomen Warders wear a dark blue and red undress uniform.

Yeomen of the Guard

Dressed in their distinctive Tudor uniforms of red, white and yellow, The Queen's Body Guard of the Yeomen of the Guard has a ceremonial role in many Royal events.

Yeomen of the Guard take part in the annual Royal Maundy Service; the State Opening of Parliament; the Epiphany Service in the Chapel Royal at St James's Palace; all investitures and summer Garden Parties at Buckingham Palace; the installation of Knights of the Garter at Buckingham Palace; the investiture of The Prince of Wales; and at the coronations, lying-in-state, and funeral of the Sovereign.

There are 73 Yeomen of the Guard, all of whom are former officers and sergeants of the British Services.

Yeomen of the Guard are not the same as the Yeomen Warders who guard the Tower of London, although their uniforms are almost identical. The Yeomen of the Guard can be distinguished by their cross belts, worn from the left shoulder. They carry a sword, which is not drawn, and a halberd known as a 'partisan'.

The Body Guard of the Yeomen of the Guard was created by Henry VII in 1485 at the battle of Bosworth.

It is the oldest of the Royal bodyguards and the oldest military corps in existence in Britain.

Originally Posted by johnboyzzz

People get a bit confused with Yeoman Warders and Yeoman of the Guard

Yeomen Warders:

Yeomen Warders are the colourfully-dressed bodyguards on duty at the Tower of London.
.......

One of the distinctions that the article doesn't cover is that the appointment of the Yeoman of the Guard is a honourary one, unpaid apart from expenses.

Yeoman Warders on the other hand are employed as civil servants, and receive a salary and tips.

Having read this:
Another PoV
It would appear to be more of a bruised ego than bullying per se,
with the authorities overcompensating.

Johnboyzzz - interesting distinction.
Thank you.

Originally Posted by Gren

Sorry mate, but I know one of those found guilty and in my opinion , he is not a bully, if anything, he is a pi55taker, but nothing more.

There, fixed that for you!

Originally Posted by Gren

Well thank god you arent a judge then you fooktard.

Why is it crap? because it is closer to the truth than some balls put up by the said woman and her veggie treehugging girlfriends?

The sooner PC and all that shite is gone, the sooner this country can get back to being normal.

Your comments on this thread speak for themselves. If they represent your view as to what is acceptable behaviour in the Forces or in the employ of Her Majesty, I suggest your view about your mate being a "decent guy" who was just "having a bit of a laugh" is somewhat questionable.