He must have used the radar prior to pulling out and following her, end of. Maybe he said he had followed her doing that speed 'as well'. It won't work on the move.

He doesn't have to caution and explain the right to legal advice/free to leave etc unless he is going to question her. Once he has reported her then he can give the 'Now' caution rather then the 'when questioned' caution , the 'Now' caution being the last stage of the process and does not require any legal rights/ advice. (Different wording for different reasons)

There is also a stated case that an NIP does not have to be given when an FPN is issued. The reason for the NIP is solely to remind someone of the incident they are being reported for, if they have a ticket with all the details, then this is considered enough of a reminder.

As already stated, radar guns will have the calibration expiry date on a sticker on the gun. It doesn't have to be calibrated each time, it is just tested before use. Vascar and SPDM are the ones that are calibrated regularly.

Only certain Police vehicles have calibrated speedos, no point them all having them? Bit like sirens, only some have them.

As for two coppers to do anything, what an urban myth, just like the one that says they have to have their hat on to nick you!
Speeding is one of only two Offences in England that needs corroboration. In this case the corroboration is the Radar gun.

Take your chances at court? I wouldn't bother, cough up and put it down to experience.

There but for the grace of God go the rest of us.

Originally Posted by Cabana

This story is all very fishy. By law there has to be two Policemen in the vehicle if they are following you and doing you for speeding. They have to follow you for a mile to ascertain that you are speeding and they would not use a speed gun in a car. If the police car and the speeding car were doing the same speed, the speed gun would show zero.

Very fish...fishy indeed.

Not sure where you get all this from?

Does not need two Officers in a car? Just needs corroboration, i.e. the Speed Recording device.

Follow for a mile? Vascar is 2/10 of a mile, SPDM the same.

I think you are making this up!

Originally Posted by MittMayo

Originally Posted by Cabana

This story is all very fishy. By law there has to be two Policemen in the vehicle if they are following you and doing you for speeding. They have to follow you for a mile to ascertain that you are speeding and they would not use a speed gun in a car. If the police car and the speeding car were doing the same speed, the speed gun would show zero.

Very fish...fishy indeed.

Not sure where you get all this from?

Does not need two Officers in a car? Just needs corroboration, i.e. the Speed Recording device.

Follow for a mile? Vascar is 2/10 of a mile, SPDM the same.

I think you are making this up!

This was the case when I was done, although it was a number of years ago (87 or 8. The reason the Police car has to have two people in it is because there is no speed recording device, or there wasn't before Police cars started carrying cameras therefore two cops to corroborate the speed.

Edited to add...unless I have been grossly misinformed.....to which I will be massively outraged!

Originally Posted by Cabana

Originally Posted by MittMayo

Originally Posted by Cabana

This story is all very fishy. By law there has to be two Policemen in the vehicle if they are following you and doing you for speeding. They have to follow you for a mile to ascertain that you are speeding and they would not use a speed gun in a car. If the police car and the speeding car were doing the same speed, the speed gun would show zero.

Very fish...fishy indeed.

Not sure where you get all this from?

Does not need two Officers in a car? Just needs corroboration, i.e. the Speed Recording device.

Follow for a mile? Vascar is 2/10 of a mile, SPDM the same.

I think you are making this up!

This was the case when I was done, although it was a number of years ago (87 or 8. The reason the Police car has to have two people in it is because there is no speed recording device, or there wasn't before Police cars started carrying cameras therefore two cops to corroborate the speed.

You're right, of course, no speed recording device, then two Officer's opinions are sufficient. It's not LAW that there must always be two Officers though, just corroboration.

However, this guy had a radar gun.
Or was it a laser one? They can pick you off 1.5km away before you even see the car.

Bottom line - either accept he got a reading while static and take the ticket, or fight it at court.
I doubt very much he would have claimed to have got a radar reading whilst moving, unless he was a complete numbskull!

Originally Posted by saladin

I was in fairly heavy traffic, all of us doing 80, outside lane on a dual carriageway at dark o'clock last week when I got flashed from behind. I ignored it as there was no way to pull over sensibly.... moments later on came the flashing blue jobs. Bugger thinks I and starts to indicate right. van lets me in.....

Copper then pulls past me, moves up to the rear of the car in front.....still at 80 mind....and stays there for the next 6 miles !

Waht was that all about ??

Copper may have been escorting someone/something in the vehicle he was following and you got in between. If no blues on when you ended up behind it, not your fault, he just did not want anything between him and he/she/it. He did the right thing and you did the right thing.

Of course some drivers are totally oblivious. Several years ago I was in a bit of a convoy with (in order) 2 police motorcycles, marked police car, big truck with large steel and lead canister marked with yellow placards with "purple pinwheels" (same meaning on your side of the pond), large plain SUV with blues on and erm, people in it, me (plain wrapper Ford with blues on) marked PD cruiser, 2 PD motorcycles. Someone in a pricey BMW, clearly with more money than brains cut in and then stayed just behind the truck. He was surprised when a motorcycle signalled him to pull over and even more surprised when he received citations for several violations. I was given to understand the conversation went. Driver "How was I to know i should not cut in behind that truck, I'm calling my congressman and Senator Kennedy and...." Officer as he hands the citations "Have a nice day sir and drive carefully now"

As I said, you might have accidentally cut between the cops and someone being protected. Not your fault and the cop was just asking you nicely, in a non-lethal way, to move.

Originally Posted by MittMayo

Does not need two Officers in a car? Just needs corroboration, i.e. the Speed Recording device.

You are quite right, but 2 plod is the normal for corroboration as you say, hence the fact that the bikes uaually go in pairs (granted not always, but usually)

perhaps coppers were static

yr misses drove past

they clocked her

as its the quiet hour they decide to follow and pull her

issue said paperwork and show her the gun?

http://www.pepipoo.com/

For a more informed opinion. This website saved me 3 penalty points and a big fine, plus a few parking tickets.

Perhaps people need to "man up" a little. 8 mph over a limit and got caught. Pay up, learn from it and become a better driver. Move on. No-ones perfect and I don't preach about this - I've just never been caught, but I bet I won't bitch about it if I know I was in the wrong, and if the police officer was acting correctly.

In my job I come across people and have to take details of their driving records. I have only ever met one person who held his hands up and said that it was a fair cop for his points. For many of the rest, they were usually stopped late at night or in the early hours, the road was deserted and they were victimised by "an arrsewipe copper".

You were not there and neither was I so we don't know exactly what was said or done by either party. If you have the courage of your convictions (no pun intended), appeal!

Some forces caution during the FPN procedure, some don't. Personally I was taught not to but it appears that many people who join after me have been taught differently.

A good rule of thumb for discresion in speeding cases is "10% +2" which is the acpo prosecution tolerance to allow for calibration errors in both speed guns and peoples speedometers (measure your speedo against the speed on your GPS and see what I mean.)

Trotsky