Contact the Army School of Ammunition (Kineton) request the PAM's from them, they should all number of NATO pam's

Originally Posted by DesktopCommando

Contact the Army School of Ammunition (Kineton) request the PAM's from them, they should all number of NATO pam's

Will do - many thanks.

Not sure the School will have these...

A better bet would be to chase up through your chain of command to the nearest US LO and request the TM from him/her, but I'm not sure it will help you much with range design.

The M67 is more similar to the L2 than the L109, however If I remember correctly they come ready fuzed. I would go ahead and implement a grenade range as you would in UK as the performances of the grenade are roughly equivalent.

The main difference is likely to be procedural. As the grenades comes ready primed, there is no need per-say for a priming bay, however if I were you I would keep the grenades in their cans up to the priming bay and then have the grenade checked for proper pin placement before removing them from the can in the priming bay. Either that or have a grownup unpack the grenade in the priming bay and hand them to the throwing bay supervisor to give to the thrower...

Up to you really...

I'm not familiar with British grenade ranges but I would assume they would do the trick.

I would ensure you have some water pits roughly 1 meter deep behind the throw pits if you are talking about an impromptu range, grenade sumps, all that stuff.

The M67 frags with pentagon shaped bladed fragments if memory serves. Really nasty stuff. Ready primed, make sure the pins and spoons and safety clips are properly seated prior to removing from the cans.

Max kill range is 5 meters.
Max Casualty Range is 15 meters
Max Fragment Range is 230 meters

When I used to be on the range the primary instructor and thrower were the only ones in the pit. The instructor would remove the grenade from the can, remove the safety clip and hand to the thrower.

Instructor would watch for such things as; Thrower throwing pin instead of grenade, dropped grenades, thrower freezing up and not throwing.. etc.

I assume you folks look for the same things.

Originally Posted by Nige

If it's a multinational unit, surely you'll have access to the range pams (or equivalent) for the grenade you will use?

Why not do the job properly - I'm sure references to ARRSE will not be acceptable to a coroner from any country should something go wrong...

Nige what he said in spades! If anything goes wrong and you haven't got the correct Pams and carried out a proper assessment of the Safety Areas, throwing procedues etc then your arrse will be in a spam slicer! If you have never been on a BoI you wil find it is populated by experts who have never fecked up in their lives :D

Ring Defence Ordnance Safety Group or whatever they are called these days. They are part of the Abbeywood organisation and should be able to supply you with a safety template - its their job.

If you need a number pm but have a look at may avatar and I am not in tomorrow :D I will be on Friday but FFS do not touch one of these things until you have the correct docs.

Having carried out various investigations into Grenade accidents, both at the sharp end and the final closure of the ATO report, my advice is to get your local SASC chap on side, and make sure that the guys who are throwing the grenades are current and competant using the safety at training rules - if not, the proverbial will hit the fan. Also make sure the SASC chap clears it in writing via HQ SASC. DOSG, as already mentioned, will need to be consulted to ensure you have man-firing advice for said grenades.

Exrivofrigido

What you are about to undertake actually used to be fun believe it or not! Youknow , trained people doing their job! But trust me - and no snake noises - if no data - then NO!

Originally Posted by rickshaw-major

Exrivofrigido

What you are about to undertake actually used to be fun believe it or not! Youknow , trained people doing their job! But trust me - and no snake noises - if no data - then NO!

Don't worry - all understood. BOI is something I'm keen to avoid, though rather more keen to avoid killing anyone by mistake in the first place. I'm going through SASC back in the UK with all the detail, and have (hopefully) tracked down both drill grenades and an instructor from the US Bde next door. No training, no throwing - we won't be 'winging' it.

Thanks for all the pointers.

I've just checked on Call of Duty 4 and can indeed confirm that they make a big bang.

As long as your troops aren't too close to the TV screen they should be OK. Be careful of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome though and be sure to take spare batteries for the Xbox controllers.