This thread has gone on for long enough. DD simply made it as an anouncement that this sort of flaming was detrimental to the Multinational HQ, and I happen to agree. Users like Virgil are hardly around anymore, and only the ones who are most dedicated to arguing are left. It's simply turned into the NAAFI minus the humour.

Expat71 don't try to tell morons like dogface that the British had other things to do other than Vietnam. They actually do whinge alot that we weren't there in any numbers.

Although you could point out that we won a war that was very similar to Vietnam, against commies at about the same time. Although admittedly we didn't do it through massive firepower and don't feel the need to make lots of films about it.

Guess where it was....

Originally Posted by chocolate_frog

Expat71 don't try to tell morons like dogface that the British had other things to do other than Vietnam. They actually do whinge alot that we weren't there in any numbers.

Although you could point out that we won a war that was very similar to Vietnam, against commies at about the same time. Although admittedly we didn't do it through massive firepower and don't feel the need to make lots of films about it.

Guess where it was....

Are you speaking of Malaysia?

Have you considered the record of counter insurgency campaigns where the borders are secured vs those where they are not? Malaysia vs Vietnam for instance?

As I recall the borders in Malaysia, were secure during the UKs operations there. This makes a vast difference in the conduct of and/or being able to win this type of war.

Take a long look at all the borders around the country of Vietnam, during the Americas war in that country, none were secure and all were a problem.

Should we talk about the UK's operations against the Mau Mau in Kenya? Did the UK win that one?

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?...articleId=9407

Originally Posted by Dogface

Originally Posted by GDav

I don't have a thing against the Yanks. I just don't like to see the sanctimonous attitude of people who think Europe and the UK couldn't have done without them.

I might help, then, if Brits didn't whine about the U.S. "arriving late for the party". Can't have it both ways.

Give you an inch and you take a mile.

Not really much point in discussing things with people like you.

Originally Posted by NEO_CON

The US also paid for the equipment of its own Armed forces plus fought a war in the Pacific which most Brits forget about when WWII is discussed

Not those who fought in General Slim's Fourteenth Army - the ones who had been fighting the Japanese since December 8 1941.

Nor the survivors of the 130,000 British,Australian and Indian troops who went into captivity with the fall of Singapore.

Try Googling on 'Kohima' , 'Chindit' and 'Force 136'.

then read a book called

" The Forgotten Fleet: Story of the British Pacific Fleet, 1944-45 " by John Winton.


There are an equally ignorant bunch of people out there who stand by the Suribachi memorial in Arlington and think the US took down the Empire of the Sun single-handed.....it ain't so.

Le Chevre

Originally Posted by Trip_Wire

Originally Posted by chocolate_frog

Expat71 don't try to tell morons like dogface that the British had other things to do other than Vietnam. They actually do whinge alot that we weren't there in any numbers.

Although you could point out that we won a war that was very similar to Vietnam, against commies at about the same time. Although admittedly we didn't do it through massive firepower and don't feel the need to make lots of films about it.

Guess where it was....

Are you speaking of Malaysia?

Have you considered the record of counter insurgency campaigns where the borders are secured vs those where they are not? Malaysia vs Vietnam for instance?

As I recall the borders in Malaysia, were secure during the UKs operations there. This makes a vast difference in the conduct of and/or being able to win this type of war.

Take a long look at all the borders around the country of Vietnam, during the Americas war in that country, none were secure and all were a problem.

Should we talk about the UK's operations against the Mau Mau in Kenya? Did the UK win that one?

cleId=9407

Or have you considered that it might not have been pourous boarders, but the US forces habitual slaughter of innocent people that may have driven people to support the insurgents.....still no concept of hearts and minds

Here Here Goatman

Originally Posted by Trip_Wire

Should we talk about the UK's operations against the Mau Mau in Kenya? Did the UK win that one?

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?...articleId=9407

Did the UK win that one? Yes, the insurgency was crushed with law & order restored to make way for Kenyan independence.

Imperial Reckoning: The Untold Story of Britain’s Gulag in Kenya, as the author comments, is based on oral history forty years after the event.

No doubt a similar book could be put together based on Vietnamese oral history.

Not those who fought in General Slim's Fourteenth Army - the ones who had been fighting the Japanese since December 8 1941.

Nor the survivors of the 130,000 British,Australian and Indian troops who went into captivity with the fall of Singapore.

Try Googling on 'Kohima' , 'Chindit' and 'Force 136'.

then read a book called

" The Forgotten Fleet: Story of the British Pacific Fleet, 1944-45 " by John Winton.

There are an equally ignorant bunch of people out there who stand by the Suribachi memorial in Arlington and think the US took down the Empire of the Sun single-handed.....it ain't so.
Le Chevre

I was completely unaware of the British Naval contribution in the Central Pacific Area of Operations during WWII.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Pacific_Fleet

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...eas%3Bmap1.JPG

Originally Posted by NEO_CON

I was completely unaware of the British Naval contribution in the Central Pacific Area of Operations during WWII.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Pacific_Fleet

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...eas%3Bmap1.JPG

Well done Neo - Bravo Zulu Sir...spread the word that man !