ARmy Rumour SErvice

**LostBoss** · 26-09-2005, 11:31

Originally Posted by RTFQ

"According to www mymatedownthepubwhowasinthefalklandsandkilledablok e.com, just before both towers collapsed, two seismic spikes were registered. However, the immediate collapses themselves didn't register seismically. Thus indicating that truly collossal subterranean detonations took place prior to each collapse."

So I did a search on Google on RTFQs text about the seismic thingy and up pops a site:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_disaster.htm

- that starts to explain it, scroll down and this little nugget appears

Originally Posted by loon site

For several years, the writer has assisted in a support capacity, high-level survivors of Illuminati mind control programs. Being programed multiples, the various alter personalities of such victims have been encoded with very politically sensitive infor-mation appertaining to Illuminati activities.

When a mind control victimâ€™s programer dies, the victimâ€™s programing sometimes begins to unravel, thus allowing some-one such as the writer, to access some of the sensitive information encoded in the mind of the survivor. In this manner, the writer has been able to penetrate some of the Illuminatiâ€™s deepest secrets concerning organizational structure and its dia-bolical plans for the future of humanity.

Each of the thirteen Illuminati bloodline families operates a Council of Thirteen. The Illuminati High Council of the United States is domiciled in Southern California; in July, 2001, the writer learned via sources associated with the High Council, that the head of the Council and an aide, were involved in the abduction of Chandra Levy.

The defence rests.

**Birdie_Numnums** · 26-09-2005, 11:31

Even when there is no certain proof, due to catestrophic damage it is not unreasonable for people to witness the incident and make reasonable assumptions. I watched the planes impact the buildings. I saw the horrific impact and fireball. I did not see a separate explosive incident and can only assume that one big enough to cause each tower to collapse would also be big enough for me to see. I noticed there was a considerable time delay between aircraft impact and collapse. I heard the chief architect being interviewed on CNN before the first collapse inform the interviewer that collapse was inevitable because the heat from the fire exceeded design parameters and this type of incident had not been considered.

The initial collapse of floors above the fire seemed tragically logical even to my limited engineering brain followed by the vertical and increasingly more rapid collapse of the whole building in accordance with gravity. I saw no reason for the building to topple sideways. Perhaps if the aircraft had impacted below the 10th floor then maybe the building could have toppled sideways. Without any further evidence beyond my own sight I am prepared to accept as plausible that as the collapsing first tower reached ground level it continued for the remaining 7 stories under ground. I also accept, with no further proof that that part of the event undermined WTC 7. I am amazed that the second towers sub structure was not likewise effected and consider this small miracle was nothing more than luck.

There are not always finite answers in life but that doesn't mean that in lieu of answers conspiracy is the answer.

My final rejection of most things conspiracy is that calling them that is just too easy. It lacks consistancy of argument. The same Government that has masterminded such an elaborate conspiracy is incapable of carrying out far less complicated events such as invading Iraq or dealing with a natural disaster.

**Gonzo** · 26-09-2005, 11:45

What also strikes me is the inconsistency of these conspiracy theories. They claim the government somehow carried out or at least permitted these attacks. This does not make sense. If you're happy to fly planes into WTC, why change your modus operandi and shove a missile into the Pentagon? If you are happy to accept the huge death toll of some of the finest economic minds in the WTC why do you only allow a hit on part of the Pentagon that hasn't got many buckshee SO2s and SO1s in it? And most importantly, if you did plan all these attacks why would you need to shoot down one of the planes?

**Seadog** · 26-09-2005, 11:52

RTFQ asks for references.

I wrote

I know something of engineering. I'm not a civil or structural engineer but there are sufficient generic aspects to allow me to speak with more authority than a layman (would that be you Bugsy?) on dynamics, thermodynamics, mechanics, and combustion (not that combustion is big in civil engineering). Now I wouldnâ€™t be so nobby as to tell a (for example) medical professional he/she is wrong based on a Google.

I was being vague. I'm an engineer, can you guess which kind?

Will that do? If bugsy7 is an engineer I'm owe him more professional courtesy even if I feel he is talking out his hard hat, and an apology.

**Married_to_a_Brit** · 26-09-2005, 11:53

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**RTFQ** · 26-09-2005, 12:03

Originally Posted by Seadog

RTFQ asks for references.

I wrote

I know something of engineering. I'm not a civil or structural engineer but there are sufficient generic aspects to allow me to speak with more authority than a layman (would that be you Bugsy?) on dynamics, thermodynamics, mechanics, and combustion (not that combustion is big in civil engineering). Now I wouldnâ€™t be so nobby as to tell a (for example) medical professional he/she is wrong based on a Google.

I was being vague. I'm an engineer, can you guess which kind?

Will that do? If bugsy7 is an engineer I'm owe him more professional courtesy even if I feel he is talking out his hard hat, and an apology.

I have no problems with opinions, it's the use of websites and books as primary source that I object to

**Seadog** · 26-09-2005, 12:10

Sampoong Mall collapsed on itself in 1995. Faulty construction was to blame. Imagine the 'aftermarket' faults introduced into the Trade Towers by the impacts and fires and the effect on structural integrity.

The link is a Korean Government site, the English translation isn't ideal.

Sampoong

Understood RTQF. I like to think my opinions here are at least semi professional. I'm not, nor would I claim to be an expert witness.

**Frogslegs** · 26-09-2005, 12:16

I'm not an engineer but I do know a bit about how the construction business works in Europe & the M.E. so how about this theory: there was NO conspiracy on the part of the US govt to manufacture a terrorist attack but the guys who constructed the towers didn't use materials of the quality specified in the designs (lighter steel girders etc..) & siphoned off a good bit of dosh for their personal "I'll buy a yacht when I retire" funds? Happens elsewhere most of the time, why not in the USA? What the govt might want to cover up is that some of their top families made loadsa money at the expense of thousands of innocent lives (if the buildings should have stayed up despite the crash, as you pros say). Sorry it's a very pedestrian theory with no CIA or aliens!
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