Thread: Major Roy Farran, DSO, MC

Originally Posted by Whiskybreath

Do you have credible documentary evidence for your assertions, Mora? It would help to give objective and dispassionate (if possible) references rather than emotional allegations. We've become used to having to deal with that, you see, rather like your Armed Forces, and those of many of the other democratically constituted countries recently.

Alexander ("Ha’im") Rubovitz ( age 16), unit task was pasted posters and distributed Lehi proclamations in pre-dawn hours. A very serious offence on those days. British Forces were allowed to shoot any one who caught did it ( mainly youth activists ).


The Colonial Office confidential file case from 1947 (CO537/2302), recently opened, and file case (CO537/3872) which already opened a few years ago.

http://www.aim25.ac.uk/cats/21/4501.htm

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/lhcma/summary/la95-001.shtml

Liddell Hart Centre for Military Archives- file of correspondence on letters of testimonial for Captain Roy Farran, court martialled and acquitted for the murder of Alexander Rubovitz, Palestine, Jul-Dec 1947 © King's College London, Strand, London WC2R 2LS, England, United Kingdom. Tel:+44 (0) 20 7836 5454

Try asking directly to Lehi website

http://www.saveisrael.com/

E-mail: info@saveisrael.com Address:
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Roy Farran's own book where he denied the case against him

Winged Dagger - Adventures on Special Service 1948 By Roy Farran



Description
Title: Winged Dagger Adventures on Special Service Author: Roy Farran Description: (abbreviated from introduction) Palestine 1947 It was really impossible to concentrate on the book. Things were getting really bad if I could not concentrate on a novel by Forester. How had murder become my business? I allowed myself to think of the mounting crescendo of events in the last seven years which had led me to this final great crisis. 'I hereby charge you, Roy Alexander St Thomas Farran, with the premeditated murder of Alexander Rubovitz.' Contents include: The Middle East, 1940-1943...'

Irgun and Lechi ( "Stern Gang" ) source

http://www.eretzisraelforever.net/In...d=%2D244489513


On Israeli press, no english translation for this Haaretz Israeli paper article

http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/page...ubContrassID=0

Here is the sum of Haaretz ( the leading liberal Israeli newspaper) article published in 02/09/2004 titled "After 57 years new evidence on the murder case" by Giora goodman. The new evidence is the Farran's notbook where he admitting killing the boy, and the British Mandate Authorities destroying all its copies for not letting help to the "Jewish Terrorist Organization"

In the file which finally opened recently (CO537/2302), the commanding officers of Palestine Police, agree that he indeed killed him since his notebook was found and there he admitted to kill the boy. To his misfortune the British Army roadblock also signed his car plate ( N 491 ) at Jerusalem-Jericho road twice that night. On other file of this case (CO537/3872) which already opened a few years ago, the British Palestine Police admitting to destroy deliberately this crusial evidence, the Farran's notebook.

Brig Sir Bernard Fergusson of Palestine Police,to whom Roy Farran's answered, is quoted on this confidential file, Roy Farran told him he was the one who killed the boy on May 7th 1947. That the Farran's team (covert operations ) saw the boy with "illegal material" on his hand, they took him to the police car, on the way for the interrogation, they tried "to make him speak" and the interrogation "went wrong", he died.

Than they burn his clothes and left the body on Jerusalem-Jericho road which never found till this day. Fergusson reported to police chief, Gray, but, here comes the usual British mandate excuse, they decided to left thing as such in order "not to harm the Palestine (British) Police morale", which of course played badly in America which had at that time great sympathy for the Jewish struggle.

To all surprise, his trial went for one day only and he was acquitted. After, there was great pandemonium in the courtroom. The British policemen were clapping in joy and the American foreign correspondents were protesting in astonishment. All of this didn't help the British rule in Palestine, infact it was disastrous, on the very same days there was UN enquiry delegation ( UNSCOP) at present in the country,which witnessed the farce. On American press the British Palestine police referred to "fascist swine and Nazi scum".

The Independent (London) July 6, 1997, Sunday

Neal Ascherson

"Two tears for the empire and one for its corrupted guardians"

Officially, the Palestine Police had been much respected, and its morale was high. But somewhere during the struggle against Jewish terrorism in Palestine, a moral barrier had collapsed. I remember the late Sir Maurice Oldfield, who became head of MI6, ending a good lunch with a description of his techniques for torturing Jewish suspects into confession. In Malaya, East Africa and Rhodesia, I came across police intelligence officers who had served in Palestine and were feared even by their colleagues for their cruelty during interrogations.

Times obituary

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspap...212028,00.html



RIP Sir

That's a soldier!!

Reading the obituary you can't help but think that soldiers being thrown to the legal wolves to satisfy public opinion is not something new. Labour government though...... no surprises there.

RIP

Originally Posted by Taz_786

Times obituary

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspap...212028,00.html


RIP Sir

Times obituary

He led a partisan operation against a German corps headquarters in the Po Valley. This was successful, the corps chief of staff being among the enemy dead, but the attack was carried out earlier than ordered. Farran knew this but had decided not to delay in case his partisans went “off the boil�. On return to Florence he learnt that knocking out the HQ had been planned to coincide with a main force offensive and he resolved never again to question a staff decision.

partisans. resistance. sabotage. fine words.

Britain was in a no-win situation, with its forces harassed by two Jewish terrorist organisations: the Stern Gang and Irgun Zvei Leumi.

terrorists. gang. same tactics. new words.

The abduction of Alexander Rubowitz, a member of the Stern Gang, became linked with Farran through the discovery at the scene of a civilian felt hat with the letters “FAR-AN� embossed on the sweatband. This was the only possible link with Farran and witnesses to the abduction of Rubowitz failed to pick him out at three identification parades.

false. they did identified him

Even so, such was the sensitivity of public opinion in support of the Jewish situation in Palestine, not least in the United States, that the British High Commissioner decided that he should be committed for trial by court martial on a charge of murder. Scenting that he might be made a scapegoat, he escaped from arrest.

very telling

Farran resigned from the Army on his return to England but the affair had a sequel. In 1948 a parcel sent to his home was opened by his brother, Rex, who was killed when the package exploded.

that's justice not the law

A warning to anyone tempted to reply to 'mora'.

*Always quote her using the 'quote' button, as she will delete or edit her posts if you raise an issue with her which she cannot answer.

*Never answer her PM's, as she will publish it if she thinks doing so helps her argument.

*Finally, do not try logic or reason - to get an 'understanding' of her 'thought processes' try reading some of her posts on her threads....many of which are recycled.

Originally Posted by mora

Farran resigned from the Army on his return to England but the affair had a sequel. In 1948 a parcel sent to his home was opened by his brother, Rex, who was killed when the package exploded.

that's justice not the law

And with those five words you lose any credibility you may have had.

Originally Posted by Awol

Originally Posted by mora

Farran resigned from the Army on his return to England but the affair had a sequel. In 1948 a parcel sent to his home was opened by his brother, Rex, who was killed when the package exploded.

that's justice not the law

And with those five words you lose any credibility you may have had.

Really Mora, you have lost the plot. If terrorists killing soldiers is "justice" why does Israel complain so when the pallies launch a Merkava into orbit with a strategically placed pile of HE ? Does that mean that detonating a bomb inside a bar in Tel Aviv is justified just as long as on off-duty soldier or two is caught in the blast ? I don't think so, but then again I don't think terrorists murdering a vicar as they were too incompetent to target his brother properly is a good thing either.

Your bias is so obvious as to be painful and frankly it's boring. The whole "terrorism is fine as long as you're Israeli because of course then it's not terrorism it's freedom fighting and anyway the British were far worse ... and you're obviously anti-semitic as you don't agree" is getting tedious. You rewite history as often as you edit your posts.

Mora your precious freedom fighters also did this:

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Pa...Orphanage.html

Some excellent background history on Jewish terrorism:

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/kidnap.htm

What a great picture.

Yes, Mora. Much to read and absorb, I'm sure. Forgive me if I don't right now; I and many like me have lived through other 'conflicts' in which we (and our opposition, probably) believed that we (or they) were in the right. The absolute right, frequently. Where we tend to differ is that I and those I refer to were members of our national armies, subject not only to the discipline of the organisation and the cultural imperative of honourable conduct, but the law of the land. Many of us have been prosecuted for mistakes, negligences and momentary lapses, and many have been ruined by it.

Our enemies, on the other hand, have tended to be people and organisations who have with malign intent murdered, maimed, tortured, robbed, stole and lied for the sake of the psychological pressure such varied atrocity has on public opinion. We usually have little sympathy for them, their followers or their political ideals, such as they are. Try to understand that.

Originally Posted by One_of_the_strange

Really Mora, you have lost the plot. If terrorists killing soldiers is "justice" why does Israel complain so when the pallies launch a Merkava into orbit with a strategically placed pile of HE ? Does that mean that detonating a bomb inside a bar in Tel Aviv is justified just as long as on off-duty soldier or two is caught in the blast ? I don't think so, but then again I don't think terrorists murdering a vicar as they were too incompetent to target his brother properly is a good thing either.

interesting IDF said when Hizballah targeted soldiers they're not terrorists!

...incidentally, after just quickly checking, those references you've posted seem to have little relevance to the subject. ?

I have on more than one occasion locked horns with Taz_786 on matters relating to the Middle East, but in this matter I find myself in agreement with him.

Whilst I broadly class myself as 'pro-Israeli', I have to say that I am quite taken aback by the views propounded by mora, and am thankful that I have not completely lost control of my critical faculties to the extent that mora apparently has. 'My country right or wrong' is not a defensible standpoint, and I say this as an Irishman who has all too often found himself at the receiving end of just the sort of narrow-focus revolutionary nationalism that mora has consistently displayed. Extreme nationalsim of the sort on show here is an insidious and dangerous thing, most of all because it poisons the person and wider nation, leading to an inverted morality quite at odds with common practice. No matter what the cause or grievance (real or imagined); no matter what the 'other side' is doing, any people have morally compromised themselves when they resort to terrorism, and this compromise is compounded when revolutionary moralists spend the years and decades after the smoke has cleared trying to justify these actions.

On a minor point of historical accuracy, the Stern Gang made overtures to the Third Reich with a view to an anti-British alliance. Doubtless this too is 'justifiable'.

Isn't the purpose of this recognition of the passing of Major Roy Farran not to pay tribute to his life and career? - it is therefore a little distasteful to hijack this for the purposes of scoring dubious political points and engaging in outlandish historical revisionism.

Rest in Peace Major Farran, we shall not see your like again. You were one of the old school.

Originally Posted by Whiskybreath

...incidentally, after just quickly checking, those references you've posted seem to have little relevance to the subject. ?

To your quest I answer this
The Colonial Office confidential file case from 1947 (CO537/2302), recently opened, and file case (CO537/3872) which already opened a few years ago.

Originally Posted by gallowglass

On a minor point of historical accuracy, the Stern Gang made overtures to the Third Reich with a view to an anti-British alliance. Doubtless this too is 'justifiable'.

Zionists who tried to establish contact with the Nazis did so with only one intention: to rescue Jewish lives from Nazi occupied Europe. The Muslim Brotherhood and Haj Amin al-Husseini sought out Nazi assistance and adopted Nazi symbols because like the Nazis, they desired to murder all Jews, besides murdering any Arab opponent of theirs who didn't want to annihilate Jews.

Stern "gang"/Lehi was a tiny fringe organiation (500 members at most), which hoped it could make a deal with the Nazis to save Europe's Jews by getting them to Palestine. As the 'final solution' was not adopted by the Nazis until 1942, they were not behaving wholly irrationally.

As soon as Mussolini joined Hitler, definitely "Revisionsts" ( Irgun/Sternists) turned against him totally and completely. As a matter of fact, the first commander of Irgun, David Raziel, was killed guiding British troops acting against the Rashid Ali Al-Qiliani revolt in Iraq in, by a German airplane. The Sternists were always more extremists, marginal, "truly revolutionists", one British historian called them, by recent study.

Israel also negotiated costly with Arab terrorist organization to free its citizens, by paying them all sort of things. What's your point? Not to turn the world on its head and accuse them to assist the killing of the Jews. That's is odious cant.