- 17-05-2012, 10:04 #11
- 17-05-2012, 10:07 #12
At that period of the war the positive effect on morale of such a raid was absolutely enormous, especially from the point of view of those who were being bombed almost nightly. Clearly the Germans gave enormous priority to repairing the damage and this can only have been at the expense of other projects. The raids, on the whole, achieved their aim and they gave hope to our population as well as showing the German people that we could strike into the heart of Germany and with great precision. To say they achieved little because the repairs were effected in 6 months is tripe, for 6 months Germany was fighting with one arm in a sling and was having to ration ball bearings. How many lives were saved because the Germans weren't 100% effective?
We should pay more attention the extraordinary courage and skill of the men who flew these raids and not look to downplay their efforts and achievements in purely economic or productive terms.
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- 17-05-2012, 10:50 #13
I've always thought that the knock on effect was that the Germans had to have a major rethink about strategic bottle necks, which then HAD to be defended against a possible attack, this meant diverting men and materials to places far removed from the 'real' war, every dam was a potential target, fighting men had to be used in case of attack. The heavy water plant in Norway, all the assorted areas attacked by commandoes, etc. The Germans were as short, if not shorter, than the British as regards man power. All the stomach, and ENT battalions the Germans used to man the west wall and low threat areas weren't because they were equal opportunity employers.E-Tool counselling;
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- 17-05-2012, 11:46 #14
88's were used extensively by the Germans in the anti - tank role, to devastating effect.It is warm work and this day may be the last to us at any moment, but mark you! I would not be elsewhere for thousands.
- 17-05-2012, 12:18 #15
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They surely would never expect the same mission a month on, then when Mossies fly over the coast, "They will not be carrying Upkeeps to bomb the Ruhr dams."Emsdorf and Victory!
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- 17-05-2012, 13:34 #16
- 17-05-2012, 14:08 #17
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I suspect Wallis understood the economic and production consequences of the raid far better than Bomber Command.
- 17-05-2012, 14:18 #18
I believe that Highball was still 'Secret' and primarily intended as anti shipping weapon, Tirpitz being the juiciest potential target. A follow up raid by Mosquito and Highball would have let the cat out of bag as to Mosquito capability. I am not denying the impact of Mossie and 4k lb Cookies
- 17-05-2012, 21:31 #19
not sure what a german bouncing bomb could have done to blighty as I am blissfully unaware of any major hydro electric projects they might hit or industries so reliant on water power. they probably just rebuilt it and made it better because they were like that. 9playing skittles with battersea power station towers might have been fun)
mind you it didnt allways go so well, the army asked for a t34 clone and ended up with the panther
also regards guns - the army wanted more to use for defense purposes so they could consolidate the eastern front but grofaz liked tanks which cost much more and used the steel needed for a dozen guns. guderian asked for more panzer 4's as they were cheap fast and reliable with skoda turning out thousands of them instead they got tigers and projects like the ferdinand which just wasted time and money and ended up becoming SPswhat the world needs is an enema, make that two - just to give it a sense of purpose.
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- 17-05-2012, 23:42 #20
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They were cheaper to build than tanks because they didn't have a revolving turret, generally mounted a bigger gun and were often more heavily armoured. My memory creaks a bit on this, but I think the Germans really cranked them out towards the end of the war because they were quicker to produce than tanks, and nearly as effective.