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**Wordsmith** · 09-05-2012, 18:38

Originally Posted by Domovoy

It must be pointed out that Lenin/Trotsky revolutionary group that started October revolution was financed mostly by Rothschild and Rockefeller families with Trotsky -- a go between them and revolutionaries in Russia. They were also helped by Germans who got Lenin's promise to get Russia out of the WW1.

You really must let me know what parallel universe you come from.

Rothschild and Rockefeller - the archetypical capitalists financing the Russian Revolution?

In the words of St Michael of Caine - stroll on....

Wordsmith

**Domovoy** · 09-05-2012, 18:47

Originally Posted by Boldnotold

http://www.arrse.co.uk/content/641-g...mochulsky.html

Not written as fiction, but the memoir of a Soviet Gulag boss. Read that book, then come back and defend Stalin. If you can.

I'm sorry,

...

...not "Fyodor Vasilevich Mochulsky", but Fyodor Vasilevich Sergeev;
...not a "GULAG boss", but a minister of forest industries...
...yes, lots of inmates of GULAG labour camps worked in or around that industry in a part of a country where that type of industry was prevalent.

If people who wrote that book could not get these simple facts straight, may I be forgiven if I will disregard the rest of it?

**Wordsmith** · 09-05-2012, 18:48

Originally Posted by 4(T)

Thats all very contentious; certainly thats been the line of Russian propaganda since 1942, but then the Russians weren't fighting a global war and dealing with issues related to moving armies and stores across oceans....

If you read Alanbrooke's diaries for example, he was very aware of the difference in combat power between the British Army and the Wehrmacht. He had an even lower opinion of American combat prowess in 1942 (and possibly 1943). Churchill equally (after Gallipoli in the First World War) was only too aware of the pitfalls of an opposed landing against a tenacious enemy. Both would have been aware through Ultra and other intelligence of the scale of casualties the Germans were suffering on the Eastern Front. You're never going to find explicit confirmation, but on the balance of probabilities I'm sure both men were happy to follow valid strategic alternatives and let the German army get ground up in the Russian mincing machine.

It might not have been nice, it might not have been the action of a sincere ally, but from Churchill's point of view he was taking a course of action that kept British casualties down while still making a big contribution to destroying the Nazi regime.

Wordsmith

**Domovoy** · 09-05-2012, 18:51

Originally Posted by Wordsmith

You really must let me know what parallel universe you come from.

Rothschild and Rockefeller - the archetypical capitalists financing the Russian Revolution?

In the words of St Michael of Caine - stroll on....

Wordsmith

In my own words:

Russian revolution conducted by Lenin/Trotsky faction was meant to destroy the Russian Empire. Now, do you see the reason for Rothschild and Rockefeller to finance it?

**Brotherton Lad** · 09-05-2012, 18:52

Originally Posted by Wordsmith

You really must let me know what parallel universe you come from.

Rothschild and Rockefeller - the archetypical capitalists financing the Russian Revolution?

In the words of St Michael of Caine - stroll on....

Wordsmith

It's all to do with the lizards and the Illuminati, take a peek here:

The Jewish-American Creation of Soviet Communism - Stormfront

It is certainly true that the Germans supported Lenin to that end and to bring the war on the Eastern front to a German victory. That's something that really bit them in the arse.

... and Churchill wrote this about the Soviets after WW1:

Every British and French soldier killed last year was really done to death by Lenin and Trotsky, not in fair war, but by the treacherous desertion of an ally without parallel in the history of the world.

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/supp...dfootnote29anc

**Domovoy** · 09-05-2012, 18:56

Originally Posted by Wordsmith

Stalinist state that put its ideology above the welfare of its people and was willing to sacrifice any number in the pursuit of 'socialism'

May I ask you:

1. What does "socialism" implies?
2. In your opinion what mechanisms the "Soviet state" used to "sacrifice people" in order to achieve "socialism"?
3. Whom did the "Soviet state" comprise of?
4. Why, in your opinion, people didn't want "socialism"?

**Buzz** · 09-05-2012, 19:01

I recently re-read the book Enemy At The Gates and it does make you wonder if the Russians are going to repatriate the bodies of all the German servicemen who died in the gulags post war.

Roughly 110000 germans went into captivity and only 5-6000 ever came back.

**Wordsmith** · 09-05-2012, 19:22

At the risk of derailing the thread...

Originally Posted by Domovoy

1. What does "socialism" implies?

Best ask the old USSR that - it was the Union of Socialist Soviet Republics

Originally Posted by Domovoy

2. In your opinion what mechanisms the "Soviet state" used to "sacrifice people" in order to achieve "socialism"?

Famine to give but one example - the one in the Ukraine in the 1930's is well documented. The link is to the American Library of Congress.

Ukrainian Famine

There are 6 - 7 million dead from that episode alone.

Originally Posted by Domovoy

3. Whom did the "Soviet state" comprise of?

Google the Union of Socialist Soviet Republics. Of course it was so popular that the people in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, etc invited Russian tanks in from time to time to help them celebrate their socialist paradises...

Originally Posted by Domovoy

4. Why, in your opinion, people didn't want "socialism"?

It was definitely popular - the USSR had to build things like the Berlin wall to stop us in the west rushing over to join the socialist paradise. They even added land mines, barbed wire and a shoot to kill policy to keep us out...

Wordsmith

**Domovoy** · 09-05-2012, 19:25

Originally Posted by Wordsmith

At the risk of derailing the thread...

Best ask the old USSR that - it was the Union of Socialist Soviet Republics

Famine to give but one example - the one in the Ukraine in the 1930's is well documented. The link is to the American Library of Congress.

Ukrainian Famine

There are 6 - 7 million dead from that episode alone.

Google the Union of Socialist Soviet Republics. Of course it was so popular that the people in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, etc invited Russian tanks in from time to time to help them celebrate their socialist paradises...

It was definitely popular - the USSR had to build things like the Berlin wall to stop us in the west rushing over to join the socialist paradise. They even added land mines, barbed wire and a shoot to kill policy to keep us out...

Wordsmith

No, Wordsmith, you made a statement, and I am asking you to explain your thoughts and not to hide behind more slogans.

Please:

1. What does "socialism" implies?
2. In your opinion what mechanisms the "Soviet state" used to "sacrifice people" in order to achieve "socialism"?
3. Whom did the "Soviet state" comprise of?
4. Why, in your opinion, people didn't want "socialism"?

**Goldbricker** · 09-05-2012, 20:00

Originally Posted by Brotherton Lad

It's all to do with the lizards and the Illuminati, take a peek here:

The Jewish-American Creation of Soviet Communism - Stormfront

It is certainly true that the Germans supported Lenin to that end and to bring the war on the Eastern front to a German victory. That's something that really bit them in the arse.

... and Churchill wrote this about the Soviets after WW1:

“The Creeds of the Devil”: Churchill between the Two Totalitarianisms, 1917-1945

Stormfront as a source?