- 11-05-2012, 09:26 #171
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I don't think that anyone (least of all on Arrse, given that we are serving or ex serving personnel) begrudge the proper burial of German war dead; what I think concerns some of us is the current trend in Germany of 'Well, they are all Victims' irrespective of the country they served and what they got up to. Accompanying this is distanciation ie 'it was the Nazis that did that, not the ordinary German people.'
- 11-05-2012, 09:33 #172Spike Milligan, comedy genius:
"Are you going to come quietly, or do I have to use earplugs?"
"How long was I in the army? Five foot eleven."
"I have the body of an eighteen year old. I keep it in the fridge."
"I spent many years laughing at Harry Secombe's singing until somebody told me that it wasn't a joke."
- 11-05-2012, 09:42 #173
- 11-05-2012, 10:37 #174
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and not to forget the 14th Army using Mules in bits of Burma where mechanisation couldnt reach"I'd rather be a tired old Has been, than a tired old Never Has Been!!"
"If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy."
Semper in excremento sum, solum profunditas mutat
According to Ispeakcrabandpongo "Typically Island Ape Brits," That suits me!
- 11-05-2012, 10:43 #175
This is the response I get when discussing the issue in Eastern France. In towns that were burnt to the ground in reprisals, with the men shipped off to labour camps in Germany, there is now 10-15% German population, and at least one german Mayor I know of. Although not comparable to Russia, significant areas and numbers of people in occupied Europe suffered greatly in WW2, but they blame individuals for actions, and a regime that propagated it, not every Heinz, Hans and Heinrich.
As a military man, I feel saddened at the lack of recognition for German war dead of both wars in Eastern France. Which is why I donate to the German war graves commission.
- 11-05-2012, 10:50 #176
I don't think anyone who has read about the unimaginable suffering of the civilian population of East Prussia in 1945 could have anything other than tremendous sympathy for what they endured at the hands of the Red Army. But they can't get away from the fact that, in the immortal words of Basil Fawlty, "You invaded Poland".
- 11-05-2012, 11:22 #177
- 11-05-2012, 11:48 #178
A considerable blow to justice and history to collapse all distinctions. We spent a lot of our post-war childhoods demonising the German people and self-congratulating ourselves and the pendulum doth swing a little far now on its return journey.
I recall asking my late-father his views of bombing German cities, given our consciences being troubled, and he said 'we were up against' and believed we were facing the end. The German people were up against it on many measures and we'd wanted it so. The PTSD impact of WWI had rendered the British virtually silent. Our inability to engage with Europe meaningfully is legendary ala William of Orange poking us to avoid studied detachment as France moved. Glorious isolation doesn't work, nor does grandstanding."As we moved slowly through the outskirts of the town we passed row after row of little grey slum houses running at right angles to the embankment. At the back of one of the houses a young woman was kneeling on the stones, poking a stick up the leaden waste-pipe which ran from the sink inside and which I suppose was blocked. I had time to see everything about her - her sacking apron, her clumsy clogs, her arms reddened by the cold. She looked up as the train passed, and I was almost near enough to catch her eye." Orwell, The Road to Wigan Pier
- 11-05-2012, 11:51 #179
As soon as you aportion blame to countries or nations, you presume a single holistic perspective is present in every individual. But people are not ants, they are good, bad and indifferent, you know that holds true for any group people, certainly in the military where extreme Polar opposites can be found.
Where distinctions can be made, they were rigourously applied, justly, via war crimes trials. The scope even went so far as to include entire units and organisations, but that is as far as one can reasonably go.
- 11-05-2012, 12:01 #180
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