Thread: PECOC

It looks like we've just been unlucky with our OC, then. Once he gets pensioned off, we'll be cooking on gas.
I would agree that this autonomy regarding dress would be a good thing for all concerned; if this can be enforced, all well and good.

Of course, if PECOC's any good, it'll have a trops-and-windproof equivalent, which everyone will end up wearing, thus providing some element of uniformity. Ironic really.

You're spot on with your PECOC info. DPM as a pattern stays, NO DIGITAL CAM. The green stuff is being made lighter so it works better in grass or scrub rather than just the forests of NW Europe. The desert stuff will be made a little darker. The much loved PLCE and Bergan will stay pretty much as they are. The hybrid colouring may take a bit of time to get used to but if the scientist say it will work, it better than green kit in a desert environment.

i've seen multicam used in afghan and i reckon it works a hell of a lot better than desert DPM, i dont see what the big hang up is with changing over from brit cam is. surely how an item performs is what we should judge it on not whether it will make us look to much like yanks.

I think a lot of it is, as a Tory minister put it "change for the sake of change". The Government want to be seen to be making a difference, but put into practice, it's just throwing money at the army, and hoping that makes the world better.

i've seen multicam used in afghan and i reckon it works a hell of a lot better than desert DPM, i dont see what the big hang up is with changing over from brit cam is. surely how an item performs is what we should judge it on not whether it will make us look to much like yanks.

How close could we copy the multicam pattern and call it British before the yanks start calling the lawyers?

Enough of what we should be doing, what are we doing?

Does anyone have piccies or links to piccies?

Before I blow my Bounty on some custom webbing, I need to know what bloody colour I'll be wearing during the next fashion season.....

(Please Gods, let it match my new eye-shadow)

Just had the PECOC team at our gaff for a demo, must say a lot of the kit is pretty good too be honest.

The road brief is basically us scoring the stuff on offer, ie kit we have now, middle of the road and money no object kit.

It's all too easy too assume that the money no object kit would be better, but in many cases it wasn't.

The new load carrying system has had a lot of input from both current ops (my god, someone listened to the blokes on the ground shock!!), as for rushing out to buy webbing l wouldnt as the new system is very good, (CW hippo so should be comfy too)

The real winner is the new osprey, lighter, thinner, more manouverable and still offering the same protection.

Obviousley its a procurement exercise too see what the blokes on the ground think, but the feedback was generally positive and all comments etc were noted by the PECOC team both good and bad.

At the end of the day, we will be issued it wether you like it or not, you cant please everyone!!

But its far better than C95, so l'm quite optimistic. And no digi cam thankfully.

EFR reporting is going to be key with it, and with a whole new 1157 inbound the R & D team will be in for some long nights l suspect!

And no digi cam thankfully

So no buying this stuff then:
Viper Digital DPM

...looks pants anyway.

Nope no didgi, and yes it looks very websters.

Interestingly, in the tests and various photos, our euro temperate and desert camo came out on top against the US digi cam, all that is happening with our current DPM is that its being 'tweaked'.

The desert is too have a slightly darker colour added, so we dont look like ghosts on night ops. (so you wont get away with remfing it at the COB with faded dessies)

The Euro cam is be made slightly lighter, and there is also a middle of the road cam or hybrid that incorporates both cam schemes, if you will, that l suspect has been approved for various places on Herrick. The photos of it were very convincing that it does what its designed too do. I know that last statement someone is bound too ask how l saw them if the cam is that good, but you know what l mean....)

Any indication of a timescale for issue? If they're asking for opinions I think it would be a while before we see it on general issue.

More importantly how different is the colour scheme and will we kit tarts be left bereft as we're forced to retire our Ally kit?

Originally Posted by Lady_Macbeth

More importantly how different is the colour scheme and will we kit tarts be left bereft as we're forced to retire our Ally kit?

Isn't the quintessence of 'ally' that it is timeless?

MSR

I can see your point and agree with it to some extent. But certain items do have a sell by date. IE 44 bottle carriers and drop ammo pouches on a roll pin belt with the shovel attachment cut from the yoke. Ally as hell 20 years ago, not so Ally if in use now. Also consider WWII camo windproof smocks and Dennisons with the same view (but add 5 to 10 years). And Assault vests 5 or so years ago.

Plenty of personalised belt kits and gaberdine windproofs in use now that wouldn't be allowed in most units if the DPM pattern changed.

Although I'll undermine myself now by noting the amount of Falklands era Windproofs I still see around. The DPM on those is different from the colour shades coming out now, which in turn varys from the original 95 colour shades.

Perhaps I shouldn't worry?

aghhhhh!!!! people need to get get off their high horses and except change. all this '' digi cam is s**t"" stuff is a load of crap. fair one it may not be the the best there is on the market but come on . people need to wake up and smell the coffee. brit DPM is not the be all and end all. chunter over!!!

Why should be ditch DPM, which works, in favour of digicam, which is crap, just because "it's progress"? There are better things to spend money on.