Originally Posted by Dunnit

Please could you advise of 'what' medal you refer to, that is awarded regardless of locale?

The Elizabeth Cross.

It has been awarded, now retrospectively, to the families of all those killed by terrorist activity since (please correct me as year is off top of my head) 1948.

Originally Posted by Stu281

Excellent threads

Yes. Pity you'll now ruin it with your fucking drivel.

Ill leave you to it then guys. I,m on the fence for this round

Originally Posted by Stu281

Fugly
What did you make of the report? Honestly

Long winded, well thought out and presented, but flawed for all the reasons stated previously. I still think it is a vanity award, being sought by those who attend Remembrance services who are jealous that others have medals and they don't.

I fully believe our medal criteria is fine the way it is. Merely joining up shoud never - ever - get you a guaranteed medal. Now Bosnia is done, Iraq closed, in a few years you will see SNCO's with only a HERRICK medal - and perhaps not even that. The last 2 decades have been a medalfest to be sure, but who knows what the future holds?

I have a capbadge, a blazer badge and a veterans badge. The addition of a NDM would only serve to confirm to other veterans the fact that I was never called upon to do anything out of the ordinary.

In the eyes of the general public however, the wearing of the medal might hint at acts of gallantry. I would therefore not be comfortable wearing such an award.

Originally Posted by Fugly

Originally Posted by Dunnit

Please could you advise of 'what' medal you refer to, that is awarded regardless of locale?

The Elizabeth Cross.

It has been awarded, now retrospectively, to the families of all those killed by terrorist activity since (please correct me as year is off top of my head) 1948.

Sorry but it's NOT a medal and isn't awarded to the serviceman or women killed. It is an 'emblem' soley for the Next of Kin. It doesn't recognise or honour the service of the victim, only the loss by the family. It has been used in other commonwealth countries from around the time of the first world war.

Don't get me wrong, it should not be demeaned, but there is a misconception that the Elizabeth Cross is a medal - it isn't, as it hasn't been afforded that status. The Cross is virtually identical to that used in other countries, for almost 100 years.

So the situation remains that there is no medal for the individual who has made the sacrifice.

Originally Posted by Dunnit

So the situation remains that there is no medal for the individual who has made the sacrifice.

You're right. But he wasn't on Operations at the time.

What else do you want? The Conspicuous Road Traffic Accident Cross?

Edit to add: I also disagree that he "made" the sacrifice. He wasn't deployed on Ops, accepting a level of risk higher than what is expected in normal day to day life.

He simply had the ultimate "bad day", to be blunt.

Originally Posted by E.Warwick-Hunt

I have a capbadge, a blazer badge and a veterans badge. The addition of a NDM would only serve to confirm to other veterans the fact that I was never called upon to do anything out of the ordinary.

In the eyes of the general public however, the wearing of the medal might hint at acts of gallantry. I would therefore not be comfortable wearing such an award.

That sums it up nicely.

"Excuse me, what is your medal for?"
"For serving in the Army"
"Isn't that why you have a capbadge on your blazer? And a tie? And a Veterans badge?"
"Errrrrmmmm................................... "

Originally Posted by Fugly

Originally Posted by Dunnit

So the situation remains that there is no medal for the individual who has made the sacrifice.

You're right. But he wasn't on Operations at the time.

What else do you want? The Conspicuous Road Traffic Accident Cross?

How do you define operations?? In the context of NI, it has been accepted that all British troops both in NI and on the UK mainland and in Europe were subject heightened risk or rigour and operational orders were issued to all bases. camps, stations etc, to deal with and confront the risk. So in that context dealing with the risk/threat was operational. This is where in one sense it suits some to acknowledge operational duties were being carried out and in another to say that it was non-operational.

The poor sod on a gate armed with what might have ben an SLR or SMG plus SLP and told to be vigilante against a threat of an IRA attack either directly or by an IED is doing the same whether in NI, the UK or other European Base. Gate guards, vehicle checks, and building sweeps plus heightened BIKINI states because of a positively identified threat against you as Military Personnel on an operational base, is, I would suggest, pretty much operational.

Originally Posted by Dunnit

Originally Posted by Fugly

Originally Posted by Dunnit

So the situation remains that there is no medal for the individual who has made the sacrifice.

You're right. But he wasn't on Operations at the time.

What else do you want? The Conspicuous Road Traffic Accident Cross?

How do you define operations?? In the context of NI, it has been accepted that all British troops both in NI and on the UK mainland and in Europe were subject heightened risk or rigour and operational orders were issued to all bases. camps, stations etc, to deal with and confront the risk. So in that context dealing with the risk/threat was operational. This is where in one sense it suits some to acknowledge operational duties were being carried out and in another to say that it was non-operational.

The poor sod on a gate armed with what might have ben an SLR or SMG plus SLP and told to be vigilante against a threat of an IRA attack either directly or by an IED is doing the same whether in NI, the UK or other European Base. Gate guards, vehicle checks, and building sweeps plus heightened BIKINI states because of a positively identified threat against you as Military Personnel on an operational base, is, I would suggest, pretty much operational.

So why didn't they get NI pay?

ohh fu*k I've just ND'd into a fish barrel.