Originally Posted by Stu281

I agree but they did give you the quality Veterans Badge. It must have cost all of .02p to make they dont give anything for nothing. And I agree they think nothing of you when your in and twice as less when your out.

Oh, crap. You've dug this thread up too. Admittedly, there is less sensible discussion here than on the last thread you (and the voice in your head) got binned but please, please, put the crayons away!

And, be reasonable, the Veterans' Badge probably costs about a quid in bulk. The box is a few pence, FFS.

But you are right. Politicians care about us somewhat less than they care about a.n.other voting sheeple. And an NDM will change that?

Originally Posted by Stu281

I agree but they did give you the quality Veterans Badge. It must have cost all of .02p to make they dont give anything for nothing. And I agree they think nothing of you when your in and twice as less when your out.

Is that supposed to be some sort of revelation.

Now tell me of an organisation that really does give a sh*t about its employees or ex employees

You join, you get paid you leave, pretty simple really. If you have been unfortunate you will get some sort of payment/pension the level of which will be determined on how much the paymasters can be shamed into paying

Originally Posted by pimpernel

Originally Posted by dumbstruck

Why not do what some ex service personnel do. Wait until you leave the forces then log onto Ebay and buy as many medals as you want, then the next time you go to a remembrance parade wear them all and look the DB's, NOT!!!!. If you think I'm joking then go to the OLD AND BOLD site on ARRSE and take a look for yourselves. I HATE WALTS.

Maybe you do hate Walts, but many of the old and bold have done their bit and it might have been standing on a goon tower overlooking Berlin in the 60's a wee bit more hairy I would think than Cyprus during Gulf War 1, and who got a medal, gosh the storeman in Akrotiri? I am personally not bothered, but for some it is a big deal, so a wee bit of respect, and that is perhaps what they are looking for ,and if that means a blazer with bling on it so be it!! We know what we did, and they know that if Gordie was PM in the 70's and 80's we might be covered in UN medals etc, perhaps we might have got a Soltau and Sennelager GSM with a bar for the strip! :D

And what about the Falklands guys who ended up there after the event, it was still a war zone, the minefields were still very real, (and there were lots of them), and plenty of blinds about, not to mention the Antartic weather, certainly more medal worthy than the Cyprus GW1 medal. But our government has conveniently forgot about our commitment there. Never understood why the GSM with 'Falklands' bar wasn't awarded

I think that the question is, if the NDM is issued which in my opinion should never happen, what medal will be asked for next?. If we go down the road of other countries then our medals become second rate and worthless. The reply that was made by the person who deployed to the Falklands after the conflict answered the questioned himself, HE DEPLOYED AFTER THE EVENT. There has to be a line drawn when a conflict finishes and people stop being eligible for the medal for that particular conflict. For example look at the Northern Ireland GSM the medal I believe I stopped being issued in the late 1990's but people are still being posted to Northern Ireland but now not receive the medal. I myself have been issued medals for deployments that I made during my career, but I would have preferred not to have been issued with any if it meant that the conflict never took place and that people who I knew and were killed were still here today, this can never happen so I wear my medals with pride not just for myself but for the people who made the ultimate sacrifice.

Thank you for your answer. I will be more constructive with my points I still think its worth going for. Last time I checked there was still plenty of nickel in the world.So its no hardship to produce an award

I agree but in reality what difference does it make. Its no big thing to do. Were you one of the lucky guys who deployed to the Falklands after the so called event. Because if not I was. BFFI lost 6 people in my 5 months this included 1 phantom and 1 lynx both the crews where lost. But there you go good its good to be a civvy.

Originally Posted by Stu281

I agree but in reality what difference does it make. Its no big thing to do. Were you one of the lucky guys who deployed to the Falklands after the so called event. Because if not I was. BFFI lost 6 people in my 5 months this included 1 phantom and 1 lynx both the crews where lost. But there you go good its good to be a civvy.

Where do you draw the line 1, 2, 10, 15, 50, 70 years because if that is the case wouldn't guys in BFG get a medal as they are the descendants of the forces that took down Hitler and guys still get killed on exercise out there.

Don't think that is a good idea.

Again your right but the pension helps not as much as the officers retied pay ballocks. I exepect they,re worth more. Why do you say unfortunate to get a pension.

Originally Posted by re-stilly

Originally Posted by Stu281

I agree but in reality what difference does it make. Its no big thing to do. Were you one of the lucky guys who deployed to the Falklands after the so called event. Because if not I was. BFFI lost 6 people in my 5 months this included 1 phantom and 1 lynx both the crews where lost. But there you go good its good to be a civvy.

Where do you draw the line 1, 2, 10, 15, 50, 70 years because if that is the case wouldn't guys in BFG get a medal as they are the descendants of the forces that took down Hitler and guys still get killed on exercise out there.

Don't think that is a good idea.

No not realy thats not the idea at all. I think if it is available you should claim. some civvys make an art form out of it. Im saying yes because the queen has granted that our aussie zeelander and canadian couzens have a form of service medal. So why not the brit Veterans. Do they deserve any less I hope not.

Originally Posted by Stoppage!!!

Originally Posted by pimpernel

Originally Posted by dumbstruck

Why not do what some ex service personnel do. Wait until you leave the forces then log onto Ebay and buy as many medals as you want, then the next time you go to a remembrance parade wear them all and look the DB's, NOT!!!!. If you think I'm joking then go to the OLD AND BOLD site on ARRSE and take a look for yourselves. I HATE WALTS.

Maybe you do hate Walts, but many of the old and bold have done their bit and it might have been standing on a goon tower overlooking Berlin in the 60's a wee bit more hairy I would think than Cyprus during Gulf War 1, and who got a medal, gosh the storeman in Akrotiri? I am personally not bothered, but for some it is a big deal, so a wee bit of respect, and that is perhaps what they are looking for ,and if that means a blazer with bling on it so be it!! We know what we did, and they know that if Gordie was PM in the 70's and 80's we might be covered in UN medals etc, perhaps we might have got a Soltau and Sennelager GSM with a bar for the strip! :D

And what about the Falklands guys who ended up there after the event, it was still a war zone, the minefields were still very real, (and there were lots of them), and plenty of blinds about, not to mention the Antartic weather, certainly more medal worthy than the Cyprus GW1 medal. But our government has conveniently forgot about our commitment there. Never understood why the GSM with 'Falklands' bar wasn't awarded

BANG ON SIR