Good Morning Arty Laycock. I gotta say mate I agree with your comments on your last message, WTF are people doing turning up at Rememberence parades in jeans and other casual gear. Is it me being over the top by thinking people should make an effort, purely out of respect to the Brave Dead and not just as an excuse to arrive and be seen as being there. I see every day people where I work turnout lookin like a bag of shit, hair like a fkn birds nest, unshaven or my pet peev is blokes with haircuts that look like some fkn faggot off certain national t.v shows.........replies pls.....rant partially over.

Originally Posted by k13eod

If this isn't a wind-up then I suspect it makes a very good one. But before it gets holed ...



How very noble of you.



Covered to death in other threads. What people wear on Remembrance is entirely up to them. The fact that they attend and pay respects speaks volumes for the individual rather than the way they dress. If they choose not to wear medals so be it; it's not about the living but rather the ones who can't be there wearing their medals.



Rather than express your concerns to him in person? Bet you were a bundle of fun during your 22 years ... chief snitch were you?



Then buy some commemoratives to commemorate your part in the downfall of the Ruskie peril.



Hell is a badly turned out fitter eh? Especially one who doesn't know when to salute. I'm sure it will be a better day next year ... especially, fingers crossed, if you stay away.

First post wind-up? Last Post hopefully.

How very easy it is in your world! A lot of effort goes into getting these parades set up and running smoothly so when someone doesnt make the effort it grates, it doesnt take much to throw on your Sunday best and get into the spirit of things. My first statements didnt go across particurlarly so I apologise but there seems to be a huge gulf between standards of yesteryear and now. Thats all.

Originally Posted by ArtyLaycock

Alongside my LS and GC I wear my Cadet Forces Medal, The Cold War Victory Medal, The Veterans Service Medal and the Falklands 30th Anniversary Medal.
They arent there to represent anything false or misleading, they are simply a commemorative dedication, I know we have a lot of places to earn medals now but the never ending similarity with todays army is that we were all miles away from home suffering similar hardships albeit for longer in some cases.

The Falklands 30th Anniversary Medal? But no mention of a South Atlantic Medal? I'd say that was a little offensive to folk who were down south in 82. Mind it must be hell in MPA 30 years on.

Originally Posted by ArtyLaycock

With Remembrance day gone I thought I'd highlight a couple of incidents that happened at our village Cenotaph and in the follow on venue.
Had a good turn out, I spend the couple of months leading up to the day itself making sure the local ACF and other youth organisations are prepared (I am an instructor myself), I also, for my sins arrange some of the admin bits and bobs to ensure the day goes smoothly.
First thing, peoples dress. I was dismayed to find that some thought it ok to turn up in jeans and t shirts some of those i know have been in the forces, not a suit on between them, no medals worn and all in all a very poor bloody effort. The Cadet Warrant Officer taking the parade was a complete shambles and the appropriate letter has gone to the right person for this to be addressed.
Secondly, a number of comments were made regarding commemorative medals, some of which were downright rude. If a person wishes to remember a specific time of service then they should be afforded that, I myself wear a small number of medals and was asked why I bothered? I am sure many on here could have told him why I bothered! Many of us did the required 22 and didnt deploy on operations for a huge number of reasons, everyone plays their part! I have looked at a couple of commnets on here and have to say some of you are sorely misguided and informed regarding some of the overseas postings undertaken during the East/West hostilities.
And finally the few serving soldiers who attended didnt fly their respective flags very well. We had a member of the Reme wearing a beret with No 2's and a lad who thought it ok to wear the new issue combats and who only undertook the salute when he realised everyone else had responded to the last post.
My hope is that these arent realistic examples of todays standards but I must be honest when i say that I am not impressed of late, whether thats a personal, governmental or general fault of all involved but alas, fingers crossed for a better day next year.

Wear the Walty bling...just not on the left chest as with OFFICIAL medals!

Originally Posted by ArtyLaycock

(and there is no need for abuse guys)

I'm sorry - but why did you come on this forum again?

Anyway.

Up here in the frozen north (but slightly south of the Alloa waltfest and "vets fall out" disaster), the cadets didn't do too badly. Some of the ACF were very new - and it showed in their drill (and I wish the ACF were as good at getting proper uniform for cadets as the ATC) but there's more in the detachment than there were last year and a letters gone to the Bn Col saying thanks (and to the ATC Regional Commandant.)

The serving? We had 2 turn up - had a shock when one lad appeared initially in FAD with trainers - his boots were still in the car, gleaming. Shit, FAD is ugly though.

Bling medals? Grrr. I've no authority to say anything to the vets, no matter how much it pisses me off - and I wouldn't choose this particular event to make a scene about it, even if I had the power to insist things changed. Very different for adults in military uniform, however.

Originally Posted by llech

Does everyone is this day and age own a suit? As for commemorative medals, they're civilians and as such aren't under any obligation (from jummped up ACF instructors) and can wear a fucking iron cross/order of stalin/order of the golden kite if you want.

This Order of the Golden Kite of which you speak, is that the one you get for helping Kabul kids fly theirs in the face of Taliban opposition? If it is can I have mine? Great day out though that was.

Originally Posted by ArtyLaycock

Alongside my LS and GC I wear my Cadet Forces Medal, The Cold War Victory Medal, The Veterans Service Medal and the Falklands 30th Anniversary Medal.

In uniform? Then you are a sad bastard and a poor example to your cadets. If you'd been on my parade, I'd have told you to take them off and there'd be a strongly worded letter to Bn / County.

In civvies? You're a poor example to your cadets.

Not a good start to life on ArRSe, ArtyLaycock.

I re-call Wah.

Originally Posted by Ex Rockape51

Good Morning Arty Laycock. I gotta say mate I agree with your comments on your last message, WTF are people doing turning up at Rememberence parades in jeans and other casual gear. Is it me being over the top by thinking people should make an effort, purely out of respect to the Brave Dead and not just as an excuse to arrive and be seen as being there. I see every day people where I work turnout lookin like a bag of shit, hair like a fkn birds nest, unshaven or my pet peev is blokes with haircuts that look like some fkn faggot off certain national t.v shows.........replies pls.....rant partially over.

You'd love me then, I was in jeans, Cat boots and a Barbour jacket last year, I took my nephew and he kicked off during the address and ran off back towards the car. I dragged him back and he then tried mimicking the trumpet when it fired, I got the look of withering death from a couple of hobbyists.
Would you have told me off if I'd have been stood next to you?