Have a look at studenttaxadvice.direct.gov.uk

or HM Revenue & Customs: Home Page

or www.hmrc.gov.uk/forms/p38s.pdf

I think if she tells the HMRC tax office in a personal visit that she has only done this one job during this tax year,, And I think there is a specific form she can fill in to declare that she is not yet in full time employment. I suppose that she has been issued with a NI number.

Really it is bad of Tesco not to advise young employees better about tax.

Originally Posted by Westpoint

Have a look at studenttaxadvice.direct.gov.uk

or HM Revenue & Customs: Home Page

or www.hmrc.gov.uk/forms/p38s.pdf

Good advice but P38S will only stop her paying tax with next employer. Need to confirm pay to date to get what is currently owed

Originally Posted by Roger_The_Cat

Good advice but P38S will only stop her paying tax with next employer. Need to confirm pay to date to get what is currently owed

I would think that the tax which TESCO deducted will have been posted on to her NI or tax account, so the HMRC will be able to see on their screen how much tax has been paid during this financial year.

Something similar happened with my son, also with TESCO I feel sure that HMRC have a system for this type of query.

I repeat. Suggest to your Daughter that she makes a personal visit ( be sure to take her pay-slips with her) to the local Enquiry Office of HMRC and any proof that she attends school or College. They will prob giver a specific form to make a declaration on.

Originally Posted by Westpoint

I would think that the tax which TESCO deducted will have been posted on to her NI or tax account, so the HMRC will be able to see on their screen how much tax has been paid during this financial year.

Something similar happened with my son, also with TESCO I feel sure that HMRC have a system for this type of query.

I repeat. Suggest to your Daughter that she makes a personal visit ( be sure to take her pay-slips with her) to the local Enquiry Office of HMRC and any proof that she attends school or College. They will prob giver a specific form to make a declaration on.

Strictly HMRC are only interested after the end of the tax year in April. Employers collect through PAYE to ensure a regular flow of income to Govt and to make employees not get a big bill they have not saved for. For normal HMRC purposes Tesco do not have to log your daughters final details until after April.

I'm afraid everything hinges on Tesco issuing a P45 or confirming the details that a P45 will show. HMRC do not maintain a real time database of individuals pay and tax. They only get individual details at year end or via a P45 part 1 if they leave part way through. In short HMRC will not as yet know what she has earned or paid in tax during 2011/12


HMRC will exceptionally repay tax during the year it was paid with a written record from the employer of earnings and deductions.

That would in this case be a P45. It used to be that after 4 weeks of unemployment and with a P45 then they could make what was known as an "unemployment repayment" whereby they would work out the tax liability to date and repay anything over that. You would then get a cheque and a revised P45 to either hand to a future employer or with which to claim again in 4 weeks.

I am not sure if they still do these repayments these days. I last did one myself in 1989 but they were still being done very recently.

I wonder if TESCO are "pulling a fast one" with the tax deducted WRONGLY from young inexperienced teenagers.

The only other alternative is to ask the CAB for help. Ask them to phone up TESCO and express surprise at the shady way they treat young employees.

Originally Posted by Westpoint

I wonder if TESCO are "pulling a fast one" with the tax deducted WRONGLY from young inexperienced teenagers.

The only other alternative is to ask the CAB for help. Ask them to phone up TESCO and express surprise at the shady way they treat young employees.

they are not going to gain financially if they are. Just creating a job for HMRC to do after April

Could simply be a case of Tesco likely have a lot of starters and leavers and they don't always get the process right in terms of sorting a P46 to get a correct tax code in the first place or issuing a P45 promptly when people leave.

No excuse though. They should be getting it right if any employer does. They are big enough to employ people to do this for a living. Its not a one man band with the occasional leaver

Originally Posted by Roger_The_Cat

they are not going to gain financially if they are. Just creating a job for HMRC to do after April

Could simply be a case of Tesco likely have a lot of starters and leavers and they don't always get the process right in terms of sorting a P46 to get a correct tax code in the first place or issuing a P45 promptly when people leave.

No excuse though. They should be getting it right if any employer does. They are big enough to employ people to do this for a living. Its not a one man band with the occasional leaver

or its that they dont waste the expense of issueing a p45 untill march each year since many of there temporary workers come back, take on weekend work and so on with them, its more about the cost of issuing the doccument than anything esle, ans as has already been pointed out there not making money out of the system, there not fleecing people on purpose and youngsters whilst perhaps put out are advised on there contract they wil pay tax (especially students) because they have to pay for there uniforms and the upkeep of those uniforms (one set gets given for free) which is a tax deductable expense, meaning you have ot pay something first in order ot be able to claim it back, in effect its steeling cash off the tax man, something most people are completly ignorant of or too lazy to apply for and as a result end up simply being refunded there taxes and out of pocket on there work expenses......

i wouldnt kick up too much of a fuss about it right now unless she's claiming to be a self employed contractor and filing tax returns for each job just make sure she keeps her receipts and other paperwork ready for hte end of year filing (make sure she isnt late with her returns either or they dont entertain any claims after hey refund her overpayments).

Originally Posted by nanotm

or its that they dont waste the expense of issueing a p45 untill march each year since many of there temporary workers come back, take on weekend work and so on with them, its more about the cost of issuing the doccument than anything esle, ans as has already been pointed out there not making money out of the system, there not fleecing people on purpose and youngsters whilst perhaps put out are advised on there contract they wil pay tax (especially students) because they have to pay for there uniforms and the upkeep of those uniforms (one set gets given for free) which is a tax deductable expense, meaning you have ot pay something first in order ot be able to claim it back, in effect its steeling cash off the tax man, something most people are completly ignorant of or too lazy to apply for and as a result end up simply being refunded there taxes and out of pocket on there work expenses......

i wouldnt kick up too much of a fuss about it right now unless she's claiming to be a self employed contractor and filing tax returns for each job just make sure she keeps her receipts and other paperwork ready for hte end of year filing (make sure she isnt late with her returns either or they dont entertain any claims after hey refund her overpayments).

Tax relief on maintenance of uniform is a perrenial topic on this site. Before anyone asks again solders can't claim relief on kit purchased because you are issued kit and anything you buy over and above that could have a use outside of work - boots, jacket, trousers, woolly hats, gimp masks etc can all be worn away from the Army. You can't claim tax back on cleaning either because the facility exists for it to be done free (allegedly).

I had a really good, articulate and well argued letter from a coal miner once explaining all about dirty and clean lockers, how work clothes (including underwear) got comletely permeated with coal dust and their not being useful for anything other than pit work. I referred it for adjudication and our District Inspector still refused the claim. So claiming for an extra fleece or pair of boots won't get you anywhere because it doesn't fit the "wholly and exclusively for work" rule.

Even if you could wangle soemthing then it would likely be accounted for by adding it as an allowance and increasing your tax code thus raising the threshold before you paid tax. This gets round nantm's point "you have ot pay something first in order ot be able to claim it back". If you dont earn enough to pay tax then you wont benefit from the increase in your code and if you do the relief would have been given at source negating the need to make a later claim


Re the point about not issuing P45s when people come and go then I am afraid it's inexcusable. If an employee has resigned she is entitled to a P45 from Tesco now regardless of whether she might go back.

Originally Posted by Roger_The_Cat

Tax relief on maintenance of uniform is a perrenial topic on this site. Before anyone asks again solders can't claim relief on kit purchased because you are issued kit and anything you buy over and above that could have a use outside of work - boots, jacket, trousers, woolly hats, gimp masks etc can all be worn away from the Army. You can't claim tax back on cleaning either because the facility exists for it to be done free (allegedly).

really, thats changed i used ot get the uniform maintence costs repaid (knowing for a fact and providing written proof there was no laundry facility) providing reciept copies of the afp1954 signed in the clothing store for al lthe errant replacements, providing copies of the dress regualtions that required us to be clean and tidy, providing receipts showing grooming products used, cleaning products used and even down to boot polish and brushes /cloths, copies of unit orders (with written permission from the co) insisting on various differnt parades, for which a direct provable cost was associated.

to be fair only started doing all the leg work when i realised it was worth 750£ a year and the right to use EIE/MIE on a daily basis was withdrawn to cover such things.

the only way a unit can prove your not paying to do things is if they can proove you got it for free (like living in soldiers wiht free laundry facilites in there blocks and copf providing free cleaning gear) those not living in SLA can generally claim, and in some units so cna those living in SLA...

theres no excueses for lazyness when it comes to claiming back monies you dont need ot pay out (oh and they dont do it as a paye allowance because they like to see if you can prove your claimed expenditure).

and wiht respect theres a website which holds full information about the whole thing, there used ot be a military advice website which also provided full details on the whole thing (i think it got removed under the govt rationalisation of websites and information offered) but who knows maybe its still around