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Discuss SNCO Enablers... in Just TA on The Army Rumour Service; Following on from http://www.arrse.co.uk/just-ta/18237...y-cuts%92.html What can be done? Or is the SNCO going to be the guy in the stores, the one with C+E/minibus license, CBRN (etc) instructor or trade training.... all roles that are ...
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    SNCO Enablers...

    Following on from TA troops 'too poorly trained to make up for Army cuts’

    What can be done? Or is the SNCO going to be the guy in the stores, the one with C+E/minibus license, CBRN (etc) instructor or trade training.... all roles that are needed

    Could you get more deploying?

    Do things need altering to improve retention of the younger element and the unfit to leave?

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    Enablers of all hues and shades ARE useful, even essential. If the unit is fully manned with qualled blokes and needs to make space for more bright, young things then by all means mag to grid the 'enabler'. But it is far to easy for the young, fit and (dare I say it) arrogant to point to the 'old, fat, waster' and plant the ills of hte world on him. But the top and bottom of it, it doesn't matter how fit, young and keen you are, or that you can strip a GPMG down blindfolded with your feet if the Coy can't drive to the fcuking ranges. Likewise, you can attend a course, but you can't just turn on experience in that field overnight. Enablers, have their place. They don't all have to be kept, but to get rid of them all would be unwise. Easiest way of sorting it. Write down every task the 'enabler' carries out, find the loudest critic of the 'enabler/s' and present the list. If they can/are willing to do 75% or more of the list, then sack the enabler.

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    Enablers DO deffo have a place. On 2 conditions:

    1: They don't stay for years and career fowl everyone

    2: They don't keep fucking larging themselves up.

    I must add that there are commissioned 'no tours walty check me out I know fuck all' types too who prefer the less threatening enablers as yes men NCOs.

    Annoying, at times infuriating even, but a sad unavoidable fact of life.

    They'll mostly be getting their pax & wills all sorted out about now, ready for op Olympics.
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    Maybe the TA should look at these 'enablers' and build a home for them? Coy Staff Instructor ranked/paid as a Cpl perhaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Snakey View Post
    Enablers DO deffo have a place. On 2 conditions:

    1: They don't stay for years and career fowl everyone.
    There ain't nobody here but us chickens, there ain't nobody here at all...
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    But many of the skills I listed I'd say are part and parcel of the generic Ta snco.
    I'm still in 'trade' but it's very rare I'd get to do that - love it when I do.

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    As long ast hey know where they are on the pecking order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolate_frog View Post
    As long ast hey know where they are on the pecking order.
    RD rules the roost

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    Just because someone is

    a. In the TA
    b. A SNCO

    Doesn't make them an enabler


    A SNCO enabler is someone who uses their experience, qualifications and rank to assist the unit, like a SSgt RMQ running a range or a Full Screw SAAI, not a 48 yr old Sgt who can drive a mini bus.
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    Chickens aside and we know them!

    Is an enabler doing a job or blocking a slot. Can younger guys not do this? Do you have to be fat , bad tempered, miserable, cynical, gods gift to the army (and don't you forget it) types. Or is there perhaps another way?
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