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Originally Posted by The_Duke

Cracking advice - not. A late SJAR does not guarantee you top in rank, nor does it mean that you can demand a gleaming SJAR if you are a tool.

It is late. That needs to be addressed, but it doesn't mean that you have a blank sheet to write our own SJAR.

Not suggesting that, I don't expect to be taken literally, but I am suggesting that it places the system under pressure when it should not be, ultra poor admin has compromised the CoC.

"It is late" ..... it's over a YEAR late, hardly an admin oversight. How can the 1RO write a realistic report now? Why not put the system under pressure? I would be reminding the 1RO of all my brilliant achievements and challenge any negatives. As presented, the 1RO hardly seems organised, so I would leverage that and promote insecurity to ensure a better outcome.

As presented - the OP has an SJAR, pivotal for promotion and FTRS rank, that is a year overdue. He /she (appears) to have chased the CoC and not had any material outcome. I can't understand why any sub unit comd would fail to act - it is a simple email "write the report, now", Simple.

How do you think an investigating SO2 at Bde HQ is going to view the players here, based on what the OP has presented?

To me this is a fine example ( as presented) of how to get it really wrong and the sort of situation that MS detests. Service Complaints on MS matters take up a huge amount of time at 1* level.

Never that simple. I had requests for SJARs hitting my workflow 18 months after handing over. The fact that these came about because incompetent staff had failed to upload the correctly (and timely) completed NSARs onto JPA doesn't help the fact that a number of soldiers are listed as "no SJAR" and Glasgow have quite correctly kicked up a stink. Is the OP 100% certain that the original was never drafted and passed on?

OP - If your OC is giving you a stern ignoring, a quick word through the CofC to the Adjt will soon get the ball rolling. Assuming there is any form of competence in your unit at all you would have been the subject of a grading board for the reporting period which will dictate your place in the unit position list. The training you have done will be on record and a quick ask around will allow your OC to give an honest report.

Originally Posted by The_Duke

OP - If your OC is giving you a stern ignoring, a quick word through the CofC to the Adjt will soon get the ball rolling. Assuming there is any form of competence in your unit at all you would have been the subject of a grading board for the reporting period which will dictate your place in the unit position list. The training you have done will be on record and a quick ask around will allow your OC to give an honest report.

If his OC was honest, he would have got a grip of the SJARs for his soldiers... and it should have been the Adjt getting / staying on top of this.

Originally Posted by sundance

Quite. Particularly if there are a limited number of JPA terminals in the TAC for use by everyone and only one that the troops can use. Turfing the OC/Permanant staff out of their offices on a Tuesday night so you can use their JPA terminals or tying up the only one the blokes can use for a couple of hours isnt really a viable option. However I'm reasonably certain that MSR is fully aware that the majority of TA admin is done at home and the TA would cease to function otherwise and that his JSP 440 reference was tongue in cheek.

Nope, deadly serious. If you want the m-s-r world's easiest guide to MS (portions (c) SPSI 216 Bty), I'll happily post it.

m-s-r

Originally Posted by msr

If his OC was honest, he would have got a grip of the SJARs for his soldiers... and it should have been the Adjt getting / staying on top of this.

Did you not read the bit about his old OC having moved on? It will fall to the new one to write the SJAR if they can't get a response from the old one.

Originally Posted by The_Duke

Did you not read the bit about his old OC having moved on? It will fall to the new one to write the SJAR if they can't get a response from the old one.

I see no difference between the old OC getting the job done and the new OC checking that the job had been done - with the Adjt briefing the new OC accordingly and tipping off the new boss of the old OC that he is required to complete some outstanding MS from his old unit.

m-s-r

Originally Posted by The_Duke

Did you not read the bit about his old OC having moved on? It will fall to the new one to write the SJAR if they can't get a response from the old one.

I read it that the 1RO has moved on and you are right about stuff mysteriously reappearing on (unread) workflows, I have had the same experience. IIRC I was able to push it back to the HR admin.

I read it (as presented) that the OC is still in post , but has not materially responded and that is the bit I don't understand.

Do PIDs have anything to do with it - not being a JPA Ninja myself - but could someone be holding down the former 1ROs PID and it has been pushed to their workflow now? JPA is name based but might the HR Admin done something to change the workflow stream i.e. new Offr in the 1ROs slot, old workflows lost?

Edit - so I am reading this as - 1RO is Tp Comd/Ldr/ Pl Comd and moved on. OC is in post throughout.

Also - can't the HR Admins see theese sorts of queues in JPA? If my hazy memory serves me correctly they can - so again, is that not a simple query on behalf of this soldier?

The JPA admin staff can see them and move them if required. If it is held in the workflow of someone who has left (TA or unit) they have the option to move it to a new 1RO.

Similarly, they can push it past the "subject accepts" bit if the soldier is failing to do so.