Originally Posted by Monty417

If proven, I would have thought sacked rather than eased.

Sacking someone in the TA makes removing someone from a RMT linked position appear easy. They have to be such a catastrophic fail that any half way canny soldier will tip toe around it. As long as they do the bare minimum they can keep going on for years, no matter how useless they are.

The effort required to "performance manage" them is beyond the time availability or will power of most TA OCs, and will probably last longer than the tenure of the OC. Far better to palm them off onto some other mug!

Originally Posted by Cardinal

Depends are you just a rude arrogant fuckwit in real life or do you make a special effort when responding to my posts?

Cardinal

Oh, very much so - to both points.

oops wrong thread!!!

Originally Posted by Hootch

Duke,

Whilst this is a club in the golf bag ( sorry !?!) you took a risk, fair one but a risk nonetheless. If the subbie was posted to you and had poor mil skills, then you should have put in a plan to remediate this - that you took a more practical COA, at risk, seems to have worked out OK - but what would have happened had he redressed, you might have been a bit high and dry.

He had burnt his bridges. He was a walking example of the weaknesses inherent in the TA commissioning system where he managed to meddle through by being fit and willing to shout when required. He had no hope of making a regain with us as he had lost all credibility, but his particular skill sets would make him a good candidate for the R Signals (v)


The other examples are career management options - not discipline outcomes, but I get your point.

It removes people who are no longer providing what the unit needs. Rather than sack them, give them the option to move.

I'm not sure it is the case for Cardinal, but frankly we don't know what the OC really did or what Cardinal did for that matter.

Cardinal so far has not answered my direct query on what paperwork he has seen - difficult to go further and to my mind this is critical.

Agreed. Whenever I read an "it's not faiiiiirrrrrrrr" drip on here I have a default setting that the poster is not telling the whole truth. It is generally supported as the thread pans out.

On easing out - for your cap badge ( PARA IIRC), there are places to go where someone may not meet your fitness standards and I am sort of OK about a subbie with poor "soldiering skills" going to the bleeps but let's acknowledge here that it can sometimes cause problems. Did you mention to the receiving unit that he had poor military skills ???? Being Royals Signals they were probably glad to get anyone

They were, and his skills were a good match for them, once he had toned down his aspirations a bit. And yes, his report in the posting pro-forma was accurate.

I was the unfortunate recipient of a fantacist lunatic that had been turned away from an Infantry unit. He was advised to try his luck with my crowd because it was "not as hard as Infantry" - (No, it's twice as hard and three times as fast, as his former Coy Comd subsequently found out on a fam exercise).

I didn't threaten admin action - I just did it ( or rather the staff did) - he was unsuited to service life and should have been discharged from his previous unit, all they did was manage to get us to do the work for them.

So in Cardinals case - why would the OC bounce him off to another unit - not confident that he could get him out? Pass the problem to someone else? A P7 as a potential recruit ..... come on.

But he is not a potential recruit - he is a P7 MND medic, which many units would be happy to take on board. he could well have thrived there as long as he could manage to limit his gossip to TV shows rather than the junior ranks under him in the chain of command.

Cardinal, having read through this, I feel that you need to have a good look in the mirror.

Are you made of any sort of moral fibre at all?

If your story is accurate, are you just going to let your career finish in such a pathetic and weak manner? If you're going out, you can either hand your ID card in and fuck off or you can show some backbone and do something about this.

If you decide to do nothing after taking the trouble to document your issues on here, you're a poor excuse for a SNCO and maybe the Army is better off without you.

If you've got ANYTHING about you and feel aggrieved, man the fuck up and do something about it.

Originally Posted by The_Duke

But he is not a potential recruit - he is a P7 MND medic, which many units would be happy to take on board. he could well have thrived there as long as he could manage to limit his gossip to TV shows rather than the junior ranks under him in the chain of command.

Fair points - but surely if the OC wants him out because of the behaviour as described on the thread, he would be remiss to pass him onto another unit regardless of skill set? I been in a similiar situation and my approach was to document and get top cover up the CoC to the formation HQ before any action was taken ( Cardinals OC may have done so and Cardinal would be none the wiser .... yet). The SNCO in my case was made aware within a week and things were documented - I don't think it is the best approach to pass problems onto someone else.

Thing is, we don't know.

Originally Posted by Hootch

On easing out - for your cap badge ( PARA IIRC), there are places to go where someone may not meet your fitness standards and I am sort of OK about a subbie with poor "soldiering skills" going to the bleeps but let's acknowledge here that it can sometimes cause problems. Did you mention to the receiving unit that he had poor military skills ???? Being Royals Signals they were probably glad to get anyone

Hootch,
Just been lurking on this thread, as up to this point, I was under the impression that there were some articulate, intelligent individuals offering the OP the benefit of their CofC experience. However, (unless I missed the irony caveat) that has to be one of the smuggest, misinformed comments I have seen for a long time. Last time I looked, my Corps expected the military skills of their soldiers to be above "poor" and wasn't in the business of accepting the cast-offs of other cap badges. No doubt you could provide individual examples where this has happened within the TA, but I can assure you it is not accepted practice (particularly in the Regulars).
Yours
Miffed of Salisbury

Fair points - but surely if the OC wants him out because of the behaviour as described on the thread, he would be remiss to pass him onto another unit regardless of skill set? I been in a similiar situation and my approach was to document and get top cover up the CoC to the formation HQ before any action was taken ( Cardinals OC may have done so and Cardinal would be none the wiser .... yet). The SNCO in my case was made aware within a week regarding his sinful ways in the form of formal interview and things were documented - I don't think it is the best approach to pass problems onto someone else.

Thing is, we don't know.

Originally Posted by slipperman

Hootch,
Just been lurking on this thread, as up to this point, I was under the impression that there were some articulate, intelligent individuals offering the OP the benefit of their CofC experience. However, (unless I missed the irony caveat) that has to be one of the smuggest, misinformed comments I have seen for a long time. Last time I looked, my Corps expected the military skills of their soldiers to be above "poor" and wasn't in the business of accepting the cast-offs of other cap badges. No doubt you could provide individual examples where this has happened within the TA, but I can assure you it is not accepted practice (particularly in the Regulars).
Yours
Miffed of Salisbury

Slipperman - pls don't be too offended - I have form for baiting the "bleeps" because I don't think they have a sense of humour

And direct experience with one of your Regular Squadrons, weekly armoury inspections were a lesson in horticulture !

Originally Posted by Hootch

Slipperman - pls don't be too offended - I have form for baiting the "bleeps" because I don't think they have a sense of humour

And direct experience with one of your Regular Squadrons, weekly armoury inspections were a lesson in horticulture !

I think I have just had what is known as a sense of humour failure - your perception is uncannily accurate!