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Discuss The Proposition / The Offer of being in the TA at the Just TA forum within the The Army Rumour Service website; A year ago, there was a lot of chat about improving "the Proposition" put to ...
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    The Proposition / The Offer of being in the TA

    A year ago, there was a lot of chat about improving "the Proposition" put to potential joiners of the TA (particularly potential TA officers) and of improving "the Offer" (ie, making being in the TA more fun/worthwhile/rewarding, less tedious).

    I haven't seen or heard mention of either the Proposition or the Offer for quite a while.

    Those issues have been resolved in my unit, by dint of inspiring leadership (mainly involving lifting one's chin and staring off into the middle distance, rather than additional resources, better kit, less admin ballache, VPN access to the IT systems needed to do the job, or anything of that sort; it's all down to the way we roll).

    Given the radio silence on the matter, both on official means and these, can I take it that everyone else is sorted too? Has the promised "better integration with the Regs" and "improved training" happened already, in which case could someone please PM me a copy of that memo?

    Just want to put that one to bed, in case (say) someone tells us all to set about offering the TA to the populace in an effort to greatly increase its size.
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    We are going to do exactly what we did before - only more of it, with a greater sense of urgency - and expect something different to happen.

    Or wait for the wheels to fall off and hope the Army has got beyond the denial stage of coping with loss by then.
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    I expect the answers are currently on a white board/flip chart in Andover, as staff officers from Army HQ scratch their chins, rub their foreheads and wish they had paid more attention to the downtrodden STABs in their platoon/troop last time they were on HERRICK.

    They do seem a bit short of ideas above re-hashing advertising campaigns (STAB applying cam cream, on AT, never seen that before), talking about it a lot in briefings and including a 'token STAB' (much like a 'token Chinook' around 2007 when they were short of a helicopter or 2) in as many MOD press releases as possible.

    But as long as they get a good OJAR at the end of the year who cares?
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    From what Ive been able to gather, there's a lot of flapping going on at Andover to try and reconcile oft-repeated grand aspirations with the current very sketchy staffwork. Part of the answer, apparently, is appealing for TA officers to help out on 4-day-a-week ADC contracts... hmmm.

    You'll be pleased to hear that the new, improved, bigger, better, non-TA reserve will require its soldiers to attend the same education courses as their regular counterparts. So that means a week of CLM as a minimum for those promoting to CpL and Sgt. Logically followed through, this would also mean requiring attendance on the full JOTAC by junior officers etc.

    So, unless theres an outbreak of sanity, I wouldn't expect a lighter paperwork burden anytime soon.

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    In terms of the proposition, it seems to "either accept a TA commitment of glacial activity & progression, or turn up for large chunks of the year without any employer protection."

    Short of the attraction to the unemployed & underemployed of bags of courses / opportunities to go on what regular army exercises and operations a limited overall budget will bear post-herrick, I don't see much carrot to compensate for the stick of greater commitment.

    The stats for TA recruitment and retention trends are pretty dire. The one good thing I foresee is more units like MSSG which form an effective pool of professional specialists accustomed to contract work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie_Cong View Post
    The stats for TA recruitment and retention trends are pretty dire.
    I have an FOI request in which should quantify this.

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    I can see it now, in a decade ARRSE will be full of young thrusters who will be complaining about all the old farts who go on about HERRICK, lurk in the office, "enable" stuff and how it's got fuck all to do with what's going on now.

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    Simply put, we have to get back to basics. Officers have to have real ownership of their commands, with adequate support from their (but not interfering from) higher command, be it sub unit, Regt or Bde, and with adequate resources. The paperwork element should be largely taken off their hands and a return to the concept of a YO actually leading and training his troops not spending his entire time filling out all sorts of nugatory paperwork that just shouldn’t be applied to a 27 days per year beast.

    Everything else is window dressing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie_Cong View Post

    You'll be pleased to hear that the new, improved, bigger, better, non-TA reserve will require its soldiers to attend the same education courses as their regular counterparts. So that means a week of CLM as a minimum for those promoting to CpL and Sgt. Logically followed through, this would also mean requiring attendance on the full JOTAC by junior officers etc.

    So, unless theres an outbreak of sanity, I wouldn't expect a lighter paperwork burden anytime soon.
    So will that apply to all ranks courses? I.E. would tpr bloggs-smythe have to a month long CR2 loader course rather than the 2 week condensed TA course? The more and more I read on the TA forum about where the TA is going organisationally the less i'm inclined to want to stay.
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    I believe that it will apply only to educational courses. That alone, though, is a fair burden for units and disincentive to retention unless employer protection is in place, which it won't. The AGC are also finding it very difficult to plan how they will deliver the courses - especially given that - according to the plan - the teachers will be TA ETS officers. Currently there are about two. They will also need to have PGCEs in adult learning to deliver the courses.

    It can all happen, but it's a fair way off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Countrylad View Post
    The more and more I read on the TA forum about where the TA is going organisationally the less i'm inclined to want to stay.
    Which is why, (amongst other things) I'm calling it a day. Time to leave and do something else. I genuinely wish the new TA all the best.
    I shall watch progress from the outer reaches of the UPL and RARO.
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