Originally Posted by Praetorian

Yes and No.

On paper, you just need to be fit enough to pass the MATT's. In practice you need to be fit enough to pass the MATTs and be robust enough to be able to get through 5+ phys sessions a day without injury. A 7 stone racing snake who can run an 8 min PFA and just about scrape his AFT will not pass the course due to the extra tabbing sessions and the degradation over the week. Rugby monster who scrapes the PFA and pisses the AFT will not pass the course, due to being found out on all the steady state runs during the week.

The issues arise when people are fit enough to pass the MATTs, and believe that they will make a good PTI because they can shout a lot. When they begin to get worn out by all the extra phys sessions, this is when they start to get "injured" or "play the game".

And I agree, in an ideal world it would be the minimum standard for everyone to be fit enough to pass the PFA and the AFT. Sadly until the TA stops treating AT Quals and a minibus license as a bye towards the AFT and PFA, it ain't gonna change. I know of one industrially fat full screw who was signed off for her AFT for years, by virtue of the fact that she drove the jack wagon on the AFT and was a minibus wallah for the unit in question.

Anyway, I hope this was helpful.

P.

Pretty much agree 100%

Maybe and it is a maybe "Aptitude" would be a better course title than "selection"?

Originally Posted by tentoes

I guess it ended when they got hacked off with too many people just turning up and NOT passing courses? But i agree about the good old days shame the blagging has almost died.

Or not even passing the basic army fitness tests and getting RTU'd on day 2 or 3

Originally Posted by tentoes

Maybe and it is a maybe "Aptitude" would be a better course title than "selection"?

I think it is actually called pre-course aptitude!

Everyone refers to it as the pre-course selection though. Not Selection with a capital S though.

Originally Posted by Praetorian

industrially fat full screw who was signed off for her AFT for years, by virtue of the fact that she drove the jack wagon on the AFT and was a minibus wallah for the unit in question.

P.

Interestingly some things have been passing about regarding fitness levels in units, now being a Brigade concern.

I'm holding my breath as OP DEADWOOD may finally happen and the deal that people signed on the dotted line for with finally be backed up.

Pass the basic level or get no bounty, fucking enablers

Anyway I digress, we had a non male solider get RTU'd three times from a PTIs course, one excuse was the Bergen was too long

I heard of one crappy med unit that ran a 'pre selection assessment' for a course selection! None of the skills assessed had anything to do with either the selection or the course. It was a uniquely wonderful example of military cuntoonery.

Originally Posted by Mr_Snakey

It was a uniquely wonderful example of military cuntoonery.

Which is probably the only example of the "One Army" concept that holds up to scrutiny!

Originally Posted by waitout

Interestingly some things have been passing about regarding fitness levels in units, now being a Brigade concern.

I'm holding my breath as OP DEADWOOD may finally happen and the deal that people signed on the dotted line for with finally be backed up.

Pass the basic level or get no bounty, fucking enablers

If they throw some money at it, that might help.
Back in the 90s we had a CO who allowed us to have an extra drill night, with pay, that was just PT. Run by our PTIs, unit fitness skyrocketed, as people not only went to the good, long workouts/runs, but continued in their own time, in order to maintain/improve for the next week's session.

I think Brigade found out, as it stopped after about 6 months, but it was good while it lasted.

Originally Posted by Praetorian

I think it is actually called pre-course aptitude!

Everyone refers to it as the pre-course selection though. Not Selection with a capital S though.

Ah I did not know that, however that would suggest the pre is not about ensuring the candidates can pass the basic entry tests but display the aptitude it should take to be a PTI? and not just the fittest person in their unit. Sort the wheat from the chaff sort of thing, I see no problem with that seems to be the norm for all of the services

I understand what you are saying and I have been up to recruit training acting as a shadow Pti for 4 months (every other weekend is not easy to swing by work or the wife ) I have done the pfa and aft countless times all with ease also taking part in the phys for the whole weekend with no drama's basically I have done everything I have been told to get on this course and got nowhere near it I am however on the reserve list (not holding breath) and bid is in for the next one .