I know who changed the name and he is not an SO2, or SO1 for that matter.
Comments like that will cause you see stars!

Originally Posted by sapperboy

I know who changed the name and he is not an SO2, or SO1 for that matter.
Comments like that will cause you see stars!

Wow, MSR as a 1* winner

Whoever thought this was a clever change is a f**kwit and I will say that to his / her face and it will give me greater satisfaction if they are part of Recruiting Group - who have a new name now and I rest my case.

MSR

Originally Posted by sapperboy

Its simples, one a recruit has been recruited, he or she is no longer a recruit 'cos they have started training....but they are not a trained soldier yet, so, they must be Soldiers under Training - SuT. Simples....

I know all that, I have defended all that, I've explained all that to others, I still think it's pump, cos trained soldiers can be considered SuT when they are on a course or undergoing any form of training unless of course they are to be called TSuT?

It is stupid and pointless and we need to call it as such.

Originally Posted by sapperboy

Its simples, one a recruit has been recruited, he or she is no longer a recruit 'cos they have started training

This is not true. A Recruit does not cease to to be a Recruit once he/she has been recruited. If that were the case, when exactly would they have been a Recruit? It couldn't have been before they were recruited as they were then Potential Recruits.

Nor is it true that a Recruit has started training once recruited. The lag time between Attestation and Phase 1 can be months in some cases. The term SuT (as I understand it and I am prepared to be corrected) was introduced as an administrative term to distinguish between those Recruits who were waiting to start Phase 1 and those who had already commenced training. It seems to have gained greater currency since then.

There was a similar issue about 5 years ago in Regular training establishments vis-a-vis the lag time between Phase 1 and Phase 2 Trade Training. Those waiting for the latter were termed SATs - Soldiers Awaiting Training. Ultimately who gives a fuck, there really are more pressing things to raise blood pressure over.

The issue at stake is the pointless renaming which seems to go on unabated.

MSR

Can someone explain to me why you need TTT? Isn't BITS/DITS good enough now?

DTTT is more about how to coach and mentor the student to get the most from them rather than teaching the subject although you need BIT/DIT or a similar schools instructor course i.e. SAA to get on the course.