SAS Farewell

**polar** · 01-09-2010, 22:33

Originally Posted by RP578

Yeah, OK mate, but if you look down past your feet you'll notice a blue and green ball shaped thing. That's planet Earth, feel free to join us any time you want.

I'm alright in the heavens thank you very much.

Willy waving aside, the closest capbadges to TA SAS are what then?

**Ord_Sgt** · 01-09-2010, 22:49

Cuts are coming. Nothing is sacred. Such is life. We can all bitch but something has to give.

**Boxy** · 02-09-2010, 11:32

Originally Posted by polar

......closest capbadges to TA SAS are what then?

HAC?....standby standby

**tearsbeforebedtime** · 02-09-2010, 12:01

If you are talking BRF role then you're not that far off. 8 bods every Herrick is what the HAC have to supply at the moment and being 1 Patrols Sqn only at the moment I could imagine this is taking its toll.

**Hardysa** · 02-09-2010, 12:20

Originally Posted by tearsbeforebedtime

If you are talking BRF role then you're not that far off. 8 bods every Herrick is what the HAC have to supply at the moment and being 1 Patrols Sqn only at the moment I could imagine this is taking its toll.

8? what's their establishment?

Someone told me they only mobilised 4 for H11.

**tearsbeforebedtime** · 02-09-2010, 12:26

8 in direct support of 148. Deploying in other roles doesn't count LOs, linguists etc.

**Ravers** · 02-09-2010, 12:32

Regarding the HAC stuff, you're all wrong actually.

**Hardysa** · 02-09-2010, 12:35

Originally Posted by tearsbeforebedtime

If you are talking BRF role then you're not that far off. 8 bods every Herrick is what the HAC have to supply at the moment and being 1 Patrols Sqn only at the moment I could imagine this is taking its toll.

8? what's their establishment?

Someone told me they only mobilised 4 for H11.

**ooooh_matron** · 02-09-2010, 12:36

Originally Posted by Ravers

Regarding the HAC stuff, you're all wrong actually.

And there you have it.The Officer's bar steward always seems to know more than the troopers.

**tearsbeforebedtime** · 02-09-2010, 12:36

Noooooooooo! That cnut down the pub was wrong!

I was referring to the STA and FST side of life if that gives me a life line.

**Ravers** · 02-09-2010, 12:49

Nope, you're still all wrong (except you O_M).

I'll let the speculation continue, it makes my afternoon more interesting.

**Spenny** · 02-09-2010, 13:04

Originally Posted by polar

I'm alright in the heavens thank you very much.

Willy waving aside, the closest capbadges to TA SAS are what then?

Closest capbadge in terms of what? There role? As HAC provide ISTAR I suppose they would be closest.

4 Para (althogh there role is completely different) have also supplied blokes to 1 Para SFSG on Herrick. So would I be right in saying that SFSG is tier 2 SF which is the same as 21/23 SAS?

**jones521** · 02-09-2010, 16:27

Originally Posted by Spenny

Closest capbadge in terms of what? There role? As HAC provide ISTAR I suppose they would be closest.

4 Para (althogh there role is completely different) have also supplied blokes to 1 Para SFSG on Herrick. So would I be right in saying that SFSG is tier 2 SF which is the same as 21/23 SAS?

tier one this, tier two that - this type of job designation seems to be used for everything nowadays. Does anyone actually know what the terms really mean? because i don't. SFSG and 21/23 do not compete for jobs, they cant, ones a regular unit (a full para battalion with others added on and the others are reserve units who cannot mobilise continually all the time) what the reserves can do are the smaller tasks that come around every now and again. 21/23 can compete with ANY unit on a small scale but it would not have the manpower or kit to do, for example a battalion attack. Nobody would have compared 1 para with say 21 before they became SFSG so why do people do it now? It is completely not a fair comparison - but clearly a bloke from 4 para, 21, 23, (insert any inf unit) could quite happily go a join on to SFSG and do whatever they were doing if they needed extra blokes. A good bloke is a good bloke regardless of the colour of his headdress. sorry rant over....i feel better now.

**alfred_the_great** · 02-09-2010, 17:33

Tier 1/Tier 2 comes from the US, and refers to the Operational Commander of a unit. Tier 1 Units come under JSOC (Joint Special Operations Command, Joint Special Operations Command - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ); Tier 2 Units come under the Command of USMC SOC, US Army SOC, USN SpecWarCom and USAFSOC (United States Special Operations Command - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

Some interesting "snobbery" arising between the different units, which is reflected in the UK (cf Task Force Black where the resident SAS Sqn refer to the SBS as "Tier 2 SF" and the SRR as "Tier 3 SF", with the attendant implication in their ability).

**jones521** · 02-09-2010, 18:03

Thanks - a little clearer now. Still it seems like more willy waving to me! So its not really the unit but rather who commands the unit that puts it in a particular tier? The higher up the strategic food chain you are the closer to the holy grail of tier one-ness you shall become. DSF do strategic stuff so surely anyone who is commanded by it would be tier 1...or not? OR is it terminology embraced by 'Them' of old to keep SFSG (read in any other unit within DSF who is not one of them) and the like from doing stuff that they think they should do? "you cant do that your tier two" sort of thing. ?