Originally Posted by Squeaker

50 days MTD's aren't nearly enough. I'm up to 25 already, and I have camp AND a 2 week course to do this training year, not to mention drill nights and weekends.

For the past 3 years I've hit my max MTD's and ended up doing a few days for the Queen, but there's no way I'll do 50-odd like that.

And yes, I do AT stuff too, but out of the 120+ days a year I do, it's only 1-2 weeks that are fun stuff.

you want to get a life my friend

Unlucky Mr 50 days man. Unless you are a fat WO2 who has no idea how to actually fulfill his job description and just likes claiming pop star wages for doing fcuk all, those massive MTD T.A. 'holidays' are being sacked, big time. Thats what everyone is saying. A lot of nervous looking (otherwise) unemployed older gentlemen on camp these days :D

Originally Posted by Command_doh

Unlucky Mr 50 days man. Unless you are a fat WO2 who has no idea how to actually fulfill his job description and just likes claiming pop star wages for doing fcuk all, those massive MTD T.A. 'holidays' are being sacked, big time. Thats what everyone is saying. A lot of nervous looking (otherwise) unemployed older gentlemen on camp these days :D

50 days is 1 annual camp, about 15 weekends and a couple of drill nights a month...ish. i am niether fat or a WO2 in fact i am a SQMS and i can do all i need to do in the time provided, plus a bit of work in my own time for prep and planning etc..which i guess a lot of people do. so i guess with your comments you are another that needs to get a life. i bet your sat there right now dressed in dpm pyjamas...sad, very sad.

With all these cuts In the budget Is It possible they might start cutting back on travel expenses, just wondering as myself and two other mates have just transferred from a specialist unit to a independent unit.
It's taken a fare bit of work from are new unit to get us there as are travel Is a little more complicated and not cheap.

Originally Posted by squigeypie

Originally Posted by Command_doh

Unlucky Mr 50 days man. Unless you are a fat WO2 who has no idea how to actually fulfill his job description and just likes claiming pop star wages for doing fcuk all, those massive MTD T.A. 'holidays' are being sacked, big time. Thats what everyone is saying. A lot of nervous looking (otherwise) unemployed older gentlemen on camp these days :D

50 days is 1 annual camp, about 15 weekends and a couple of drill nights a month...ish. i am niether fat or a WO2 in fact i am a SQMS and i can do all i need to do in the time provided, plus a bit of work in my own time for prep and planning etc..which i guess a lot of people do. so i guess with your comments you are another that needs to get a life. i bet your sat there right now dressed in dpm pyjamas...sad, very sad.

Relax, it isn't a war, not yet anyway. There are ways around the limit of 50 days and whilst squigeypie is correct that 50 days are pretty tight in order to deliver effective, well planned training for those who are more senior in a sub-unit, there are ways to gain further days through careful use of ADC (which hasn't been limited) amongst other options.

Originally Posted by Dry_Clean_Only

Originally Posted by squigeypie

Originally Posted by Command_doh

Unlucky Mr 50 days man. Unless you are a fat WO2 who has no idea how to actually fulfill his job description and just likes claiming pop star wages for doing fcuk all, those massive MTD T.A. 'holidays' are being sacked, big time. Thats what everyone is saying. A lot of nervous looking (otherwise) unemployed older gentlemen on camp these days :D

50 days is 1 annual camp, about 15 weekends and a couple of drill nights a month...ish. i am niether fat or a WO2 in fact i am a SQMS and i can do all i need to do in the time provided, plus a bit of work in my own time for prep and planning etc..which i guess a lot of people do. so i guess with your comments you are another that needs to get a life. i bet your sat there right now dressed in dpm pyjamas...sad, very sad.

Relax, it isn't a war, not yet anyway. There are ways around the limit of 50 days and whilst squigeypie is correct that 50 days are pretty tight in order to deliver effective, well planned training for those who are more senior in a sub-unit, there are ways to gain further days through careful use of ADC (which hasn't been limited) amongst other options.

I think you'll find that ADC contracts are being looked at.

So, based off the new Matts then...

Recruit joins, recruit passes phase 1 and CIC having done all the phys to do so including CFTs etc.

Soldier gets to Battalion and is only expected to do 2 PFTs a year, not shoot an APWT etc.

Soldier volunteers for Op Herrick with massive skills fade?

Originally Posted by Whiskey_60

So, based off the new Matts then...

Recruit joins, recruit passes phase 1 and CIC having done all the phys to do so including CFTs etc.

Soldier gets to Battalion and is only expected to do 2 PFTs a year, not shoot an APWT etc.

Soldier volunteers for Op Herrick with massive skills fade?

There seems to be some confusion going on between the mandatory measures and the discretionary ones outlined in the memo, which have been implemented for this training year.

If you have volunteered or are in a unit warned for ops, you will have a priority call on the resources and will be trained to the required standard to allow you to start PDT.

And don't forget that MATTS are the minimum standard.

MSR

Originally Posted by msr

Originally Posted by Whiskey_60

So, based off the new Matts then...

Recruit joins, recruit passes phase 1 and CIC having done all the phys to do so including CFTs etc.

Soldier gets to Battalion and is only expected to do 2 PFTs a year, not shoot an APWT etc.

Soldier volunteers for Op Herrick with massive skills fade?

There seems to be some confusion going on between the mandatory measures and the discretionary ones outlined in the memo, which have been implemented for this training year.

If you have volunteered or are in a unit warned for ops, you will have a priority call on the resources and will be trained to the required standard to allow you to start PDT.

And don't forget that MATTS are the minimum standard.

MSR

And in order to do LFTT (required for PDT), the soldier must have done the complete stages of LFMT (including APWT) and TLFTT. No-one is saying that units should not be doing APWT or CFTs - merely that they are no longer a bounty requirement.

Originally Posted by squigeypie

Originally Posted by Command_doh

Unlucky Mr 50 days man. Unless you are a fat WO2 who has no idea how to actually fulfill his job description and just likes claiming pop star wages for doing fcuk all, those massive MTD T.A. 'holidays' are being sacked, big time. Thats what everyone is saying. A lot of nervous looking (otherwise) unemployed older gentlemen on camp these days :D

50 days is 1 annual camp, about 15 weekends and a couple of drill nights a month...ish. i am niether fat or a WO2 in fact i am a SQMS and i can do all i need to do in the time provided, plus a bit of work in my own time for prep and planning etc..which i guess a lot of people do. so i guess with your comments you are another that needs to get a life. i bet your sat there right now dressed in dpm pyjamas...sad, very sad.

If you reference my previous posts, it was more of a dig at my own Seniors who would be hard pressed to justify their unusually unproductive weekends that happen with such frequency.

Get a life? DPM pyjama's. No, I don't think so. Not after 13 years. I am able to tell the difference between the T.A. being a hobby and real life/social things having a far higher priority.

And the person who referenced new rercruits and skill fade...they are being expected to complete that post Recruits 2 - week training over the next 1-2 years. 6 weekends continuation training now is it? You could potentially have a situation where someone is being expected to deploy without having been signed off as fully qualified.