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I actually agree with him now, especially about a WO1 should salute him.

Chief_Two if you happen to run into an RSM at somepoint in your career who dares to not throw you a salute you should definitely grip him, if at all possible in front of his lads and shout "Oi fella" for extra effect. If at this point you are not on your back wondering why there are three suns on the sky I suggest some angry chest poking and asking what the fuck is that stick that he is carrying.

He will be most grateful for the advice and will in actual fact not tear your head from your shoulders.

Originally Posted by Chief_Two

Finally,someone is talking sense on this site. It's professional for a British WO1 to salute an American CW2.

Actually, if you are talking professional it's not, nor is it professional to salute US Officers. It is purely courtesy.

Cheify, why do WO01s not get 'commisioned' but CWO02 and up do?

Why do many US troops salute WO01s anyway, is customary, manners or they just err on the safe side?

And why do you give out Silver dollars to the first Enlisted rank to saalute you?

And why do you put special stickers in your cars telling everyone of your 'officer' status?

Originally Posted by chocolate_frog

None of them had any problems following normal protocol...

so the Commisioned officer was saluted and the Warrant officers were not...

No, the RAF WO saluted the CW3 and the CW3 saluted me - about once a week, this being on tour.

The point is that their warrant is not the same as our warrant. Are we that chippy that we cannot at least respect the ranks and traditions of other armies we serve alongside? It would be like the US refusing to take tactical orders from LE Officers because they would not necessarily recognise them as line / command officers.

Our WO1s are OR 9s - just like their Sgt Majs and Cmd Sgt Majs - if their OR9s salute their CW3s why shouldn't ours? If you look in QRs for everything then you are going to be disappointed - do you fancy trying to point out the relevant paragraph in QRs when you get picked up for not saluting Comd RC-SW?

I'd put money on you not recognising a US warrant if you passed him / her on Leatherneck - you'd salute them as appropriate and then wonder later about why their bar looked like a Lts but was a bit different.

Getting to be a US warrant is a serious business (generally) with career paths and jobs we would recognise and respect in our LEs.

Originally Posted by northern-matelot

ACF, LoF, Air cadets, CCF = Comissioned and saluted
SCC= Apointed and not saluted but done out of courtesy.

Plod , Trumpton , Ambulance Service or even St John have more 'right' to be saluted that the legion of frontiersmen ... tell me are LoF decorations allowed to be worn on Official uniforms ? because Order of St John ones are ..

Originally Posted by mph1977

Plod , Trumpton , Ambulance Service or even St John have more 'right' to be saluted that the legion of frontiersmen ... tell me are LoF decorations allowed to be worn on Official uniforms ? because Order of St John ones are ..

I would rather salute an LoF Oberstgruppenkorporal than any yank officer, whether commissioned by OogaBungaBamma or their wierdo congress.

I worked with a CW4 a few years back, I was a SSgt at the time. I saluted him out of courtesy and he did what he was told when 'on the job', he in return gave me the respect my experience and qualifications were due. In return he ripped a new arsehole for two of his blokes who didn't salute one of our Lts.

I didn't feel uncomfortable about saluting him or calling him Sir.

I really don't see the issue.

Originally Posted by Dettingen

No, the RAF WO saluted the CW3 and the CW3 saluted me - about once a week, this being on tour.

The point is that their warrant is not the same as our warrant. Are we that chippy that we cannot at least respect the ranks and traditions of other armies we serve alongside? It would be like the US refusing to take tactical orders from LE Officers because they would not necessarily recognise them as line / command officers.

Our WO1s are OR 9s - just like their Sgt Majs and Cmd Sgt Majs - if their OR9s salute their CW3s why shouldn't ours? If you look in QRs for everything then you are going to be disappointed - do you fancy trying to point out the relevant paragraph in QRs when you get picked up for not saluting Comd RC-SW?

I'd put money on you not recognising a US warrant if you passed him / her on Leatherneck - you'd salute them as appropriate and then wonder later about why their bar looked like a Lts but was a bit different.

Getting to be a US warrant is a serious business (generally) with career paths and jobs we would recognise and respect in our LEs.

But they don't have to worry their pretty little heads about ours?

Originally Posted by Dettingen

The point is that their warrant is not the same as our warrant. Are we that chippy that we cannot at least respect the ranks and traditions of other armies we serve alongside? It would be like the US refusing to take tactical orders from LE Officers because they would not necessarily recognise them as line / command officers.

Our WO1s are OR 9s - just like their Sgt Majs and Cmd Sgt Majs - if their OR9s salute their CW3s why shouldn't ours? If you look in QRs for everything then you are going to be disappointed - do you fancy trying to point out the relevant paragraph in QRs when you get picked up for not saluting Comd RC-SW?

I'd put money on you not recognising a US warrant if you passed him / her on Leatherneck - you'd salute them as appropriate and then wonder later about why their bar looked like a Lts but was a bit different.

Getting to be a US warrant is a serious business (generally) with career paths and jobs we would recognise and respect in our LEs.

As I mentioned in Post 2, I knew of three OR-8s (UK) who ALL transmogrified to differing ranks in the US sytem (SSM = E8, YOS = CWO2 & FOS = CW3 (or maybe one higher for the latter two). Should the US chappies have saluted the YOS and FOS> There would be no excuse, they were wearing the US rank insignia on their collars.

They weren't saluted BTW, despite the hard work and effort to reach Foreman/Yeoman of Signals at WO2 rank.

If I passsed a US WO on Leatherneck (or elsewhere) I would probably have recognsed them... due to my previous NATO service and of course the fact I worked inside the RC-SW compound. Do you still get electric shocks when touching the door knobs?

WHy are the Brits not fighting to get our own WOs thusly recognised as higher than OR-8/9?

Maybe we should have OR8/9 and maybe 2 or three WO ranks as per the yanks?

We salute various nations as a mark of respect, and it is generally a locally agreed sort of thing. A bit like if you do a tour at PJHQ you don't salute officers below Lt Col (IIRC). Generally we salute those with commisions in other nations... regardless if the guys role is more in keeping with (say) MT Cpl.

I once worked in a HQ wear we only saluted the Cdr (Brit). Otherwise we'd never got anything done.