Originally Posted by theoriginalphantom

The last time I had a refusal we had to fill out paperwork for that persons CO, as its then the CO's decision on allowing that person to deploy. I really much check up on that and see if its still the case.

On Op Telic 1 the army made a big show of telling us that there was a chance we might not deploy if we didn't accept the anthrax injection. They soon changed their fucking minds when half the regiment told them to sod off.

Originally Posted by creepy

alsacien said:
Footnote.
I was also an asst NBC instr at the time responsible for setting up the chem monitors every time we moved before, during and after kick off. During cool down, circa kick off plus 4-5 days the fukcers were going off 10-20 times a day. After a few days we got ordered to turn them off as there was no threat....
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Hoo bloody ray! someone else who remembers the Naiads etc going off..Scots DG registered chemical "attacks" and I know that a number of ours on the perimeters of 21 Engr Regt went off regularly, resulting in us being in NBC black for long periods..Whatever the real reasons for the "syndrome" are, many poor baskets have had their lives, and that of their children , ruined by it. I don't actually care if we were "attacked" with chemical agents, I just want some prick at the MOD to properly compensate and care for those affected.

I was attached to C Sqn Scots DG, while the battle for the Citadel was going on-which we were not involved in but watching from a quarry-the NIAD went off so we reset it and went for a gonk.

Originally Posted by creepy

Hoo bloody ray! someone else who remembers the Naiads etc going off..Scots DG registered chemical "attacks" and I know that a number of ours on the perimeters of 21 Engr Regt went off regularly, resulting in us being in NBC black for long periods...

In some location or another, on the day the ground war kicked off, we heard a really loud 'bang', a few seconds later Naiad was giving it what for. So we all masked up, suited and booted. Scary stuff at the time. 20 mins later troop Sgt tells us "it's all okay, it was a jet breaking the sound barrier, and it dropped it's fuel tanks and the Naiad had just picked up the jet fuel vapor."

Fast forward many moons, watching Panorama. They come out with the above story, but add, "that's what the troops were told"; this is what our investigations have uncovered...A very different scenario. They claim it was a Propeller Plane of the Iraqi air force dropping something nasty (I can't remember what they said) and the 'bang' was it getting shot down/blown up.

Originally Posted by Phooey

Originally Posted by creepy

Hoo bloody ray! someone else who remembers the Naiads etc going off..Scots DG registered chemical "attacks" and I know that a number of ours on the perimeters of 21 Engr Regt went off regularly, resulting in us being in NBC black for long periods...

In some location or another, on the day the ground war kicked off, we heard a really loud 'bang', a few seconds later Naiad was giving it what for. So we all masked up, suited and booted. Scary stuff at the time. 20 mins later troop Sgt tells us "it's all okay, it was a jet breaking the sound barrier, and it dropped it's fuel tanks and the Naiad had just picked up the jet fuel vapor."

Fast forward many moons, watching Panorama. They come out with the above story, but add, "that's what the troops were told"; this is what our investigations have uncovered...A very different scenario. They claim it was a Propeller Plane of the Iraqi air force dropping something nasty (I can't remember what they said) and the 'bang' was it getting shot down/blown up.

Not doubting what you heard, but I really doubt that report.

After watching rather large blokes keel over from having certain jabs during the Op, I declined the majority of them on the advice of our SMO. I read the QRIH did the same after consultation with their RMO. (Anecdote from their CO Lt Col Denaro)

And I am quite sane! BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

BULLSHIT.

Some of the drugs were unlicensed at the time of issue and some were and still are to this day still classified as "secret" FACT.

Mix them all up in your body and you then create a potency which will affect people in different ways.

Also consider that this cocktail combernation had never been tested on humans before.

Scary stuff !

45,000 international victims of post Gulf illness cant be wrong.

And that is NOT counting the dead.

I appreciate this is a very old thread but thought I would add my tuppence worth.

I was attached to Scots DG DSqn for Granby.

We were fiven 5 jabs as far as I can remember. ANTHRAX and Bubonic plague were certainly two of them. Most folk stopped taking the NAPS after the first week or so due to nausea.

I remember quite clearly getting the jabs and being ill for about a week afterwards including large lumps under my arms .

The NAIADS issue .....ours went off so many times they were eventually switched off. We weretold everything from aftershave to deoderant sprays set them off ............. I don't recall many folk using either in the desert.

I currently suffer from memory loss (Short term) difficulty concentrating, headaches and muscle aches, tiredness insomnia and I suspect depression. Prior to deploying on Granby I had been ill once in my entire army career and that was chickenpox !!!!

Hello all,

My father was at Al Jubail. Did his bit at 33' FH.

In 2001 when a doctor told him he had a brain tumour he was a bit bewildered as to where it would have come from. His Dr blamed it on the Gulf War Syndrome. After operations and such like he eventually was forced to quit his NHS job leaving him with no income. So he see's if the government will give him support seeing as he is a NHS professional and Veteran. But no because there's no evidence behind 'Gulf War Syndrome'.

In the time he had the first tumour (of 5) til when he passed earlier this year he tried looking for as much on the Gulf War Syndrome as he could. I think he was more upset that his country refused him anything after his service...... bit disgusting when you see who the government do give money too.

Anyway, certainly didn't stop me from joining the AMS.

I joined my TA Infantry unit shortly after GW1, and I can remember one day on a range weekend, Altcar, I think, probably before '95 when everyone was told to go for injections - it was odd - out of the blue - I think I was on duty in that weird box thing on stilts where you are supposed to watch out for boats heading into the danger zone - or maube I was in the butts - anyway. I missed the injections - but I was told later that several lads had had bad reactions to whatever they were injected with, and one bloke from my company had bad health afterwards for years (maybe he still does) - he blamed these jabs, I think he left eventually - not sure what they supposed to be for, maybe cos we were due to go to the tropics for camp that year, but it all sounded very 1950s Porton Down/Bikini Atoll to me.

Which TA unit were you with Shandy123?
My old man was a range instructor for 219(v). He was an ODP.