'Baron' Castleshort Part 2

**CarpeDiem** · 11-02-2009, 13:10

[quote="blue-sophist"]
Quis custodiet custodes, or something like that!

You forgot the ipsos, old boy! Quis custodiet ipsos custodes.

Sheesh, a black mark for the beak who taught you Latin.

**Archangel** · 11-02-2009, 13:12

Originally Posted by blue-sophist

Originally Posted by Arc_Angel

I do agree completely about the mutual back-scratching and, for that matter mutual ego inflating, exercise! We can't know precisely who knew (or suspected) what at what time... but you would think that access to such a privileged and sensitive role should have had oversight from someone rather than just some bloke letting his dodgy mate in on a nod and a wink?

Quis custodiet custodes, or something like that!

Ware was "Head of Security" as a private contractor - where would he turn?
That's the bugbear when this stuff gets contracted out, presumably.
Ware, on Â£30,000 a year, is The Man

Ah! there you have it! My latin is rather rusty but I believe it might be "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes"

Perhaps someone ought to look more closely at 'custoiet-ing' the 'custodes'!

It just goes to show that you turn over a rock and all manner of creepy crawlies come out!

**King_of_the_Burpas** · 11-02-2009, 13:17

.... enquired extensively of HOSDB - the actual title of the Home Office research branch Short claims to have worked for - and they have no knowledge of him.

Interesting this. The switchboard at the CO put you through to his extension - so Ware must have been on the CO's internal directory.

**sapper851** · 11-02-2009, 13:36

[quote="Killaloe"]
This is almost certain proof that Shortt is living (and trading) out of Wexford.

The more I think of it he would have been insane to boast of SAS Service & live in Co Louth in the 80's & 90's. The Jon Bon Jovi's would have had him in the Castletown River face down.[/quote]

Unless of course, he was an advisor and trainer for them !!!! Fits the bill, Russians / Mujihadeen Them / Us

**blue-sophist** · 11-02-2009, 13:41

Originally Posted by Arc_Angel

Ah! there you have it! My latin is rather rusty but I believe it might be "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes"

Perhaps someone ought to look more closely at 'custoiet-ing' the 'custodes'!

It just goes to show that you turn over a rock and all manner of creepy crawlies come out!

Dammit - one missing 'ipsos' and my credibility is destroyed as well!

My excuses, such as they are, are that I dropped out of Latin in the 3rd Form c. 1958. and I was too laazy to open the bookcase beside me for the reference document!

**Gun_Nut** · 11-02-2009, 13:58

Originally Posted by thomas720

Thank you very much .....never in my life have i been hooked so much on a soap.....will Davina McCall be there when she utters them fateful words "Were coming to get you jim , BIG BROTHERS coming to get you!"

As an aside, for decontruction at a later date - Is the Sunday school hall that Michael shortt is teaching his class in the same one as Walt is getting his Swedish wings in??

No - if you look at pictures on the web, you can be fairly certain that Shortt's picture was indeed taken at FJS Karlsborg (Swedish Parachute Ranger School).

I think that the real questions are: what was Shortt doing there and what award was he getting in this picture? Did he really complete the rigorous FJS training programme to get his 'Golden Eagle', or more likely, did he just blag his way into the base to deliver some jap slapping techniques to one of the courses? This would certainly fit the pattern of what Shortt was doing on UK military bases around that time, before being 'carded as an Int nuisance'.

Hopefully Sardaukar's contacts will enlighten us.

**blue-sophist** · 11-02-2009, 14:06

Folks, I've been presented with a fair-sized collection of badges and pins over the last 40 years. They were given either a gesture of appreciation or friendship - neither of those things make me 'entitled' to wear them.

Some Nations are a little less stringent with some things - that's all it means.

I think Gun_Nut's analysis is perfectly correct.

Incidentally, I've had the Int Nuisance validated from another source; Jim was just trying to ge 'in' everywhere, whether for business purposes, credibility, or pre-planned CV expansion is anyone's guess. I doubt very much that he did it to 'Help Defemnd The UK' though.

**thomas720** · 11-02-2009, 14:06

Gents reegards the rsrjujutsu pics....

http://www.rsrjujutsu.com/index.phpo...c=detail&id=59

pic 12 of 18

I believe that the "referee" is an ex marine(?) ( or so I was led to believe) a very young Brin Morgan ,ex of the Shadow Warriors Society - an offshoot of the Stephen hayes outfit of similiar in the early eighties.

Mr Morgan "went" to South Africa to t train some unit or other but now i beleive resides in HMP for drugs and firearm offences (Late last year )covered in some Welsh papers.

After separating from Hayes he taught E&E exercises up around the Corwen area where he had a farmhouse in a back end of nowhere. Basically run like fcuk away from the dogs (rottweilers) i remember in the blurb

His original dojo was in Rock Ferry on Merseyside which now teaches TOSHINDO - Hayes new brand after the split.

He now has friends here http://www.bujinkanmanchester.co.uk/brin.htm

I believe this is him

**Jacques_Bustard** · 11-02-2009, 14:11

[quote="CarpeDiem"]

Originally Posted by blue-sophist

Quis custodiet custodes, or something like that!

You forgot the ipsos, old boy! Quis custodiet ipsos custodes.

Sheesh, a black mark for the beak who taught you Latin.

OK I'm happy to admit that no one has ever taught me Latin, but thanks to Wikipedia I was able to find out it translates roughly as "who watches the watchers".

**bovvy** · 11-02-2009, 14:20

Originally Posted by Gas Gas Gas

He did use the name Seamus at one stage I believe.

Sorry to intrude ..... or if I have the wrong end of the stick, but have seen this one:

"SÃ©amus GÃ©roid RÃ*stead MacAngearr" here:

http://www.ibanagreatlakes.com/castleshort.html

and somewhere else I can't find at the moment.

**blue-sophist** · 11-02-2009, 14:32

Originally Posted by bovvy

Originally Posted by Gas Gas Gas

He did use the name Seamus at one stage I believe.

Sorry to intrude ..... or if I have the wrong end of the stick, but have seen this one:
"SÃ©amus GÃ©roid RÃ*stead MacAngearr" here:
http://www.ibanagreatlakes.com/castleshort.html
and somewhere else I can't find at the moment.

That's the one - it's his stage name when posing as the last great Gaelic Warrior, direct desendant of The King's Bodyguards and Hereditary Hungarian.

His ARRSE username is, of course "LYING WALT"

**bovvy** · 11-02-2009, 14:49

Originally Posted by blue-sophist

Originally Posted by bovvy

Originally Posted by Gas Gas Gas

He did use the name Seamus at one stage I believe.

Sorry to intrude ..... or if I have the wrong end of the stick, but have seen this one:
"SÃ©amus GÃ©roid RÃ*stead MacAngearr" here:
http://www.ibanagreatlakes.com/castleshort.html
and somewhere else I can't find at the moment.

That's the one - it's his stage name when posing as the last great Gaelic Warrior, direct desendant of The King's Bodyguards and Hereditary Hungarian.

His ARRSE username is, of course "LYING WALT"

I gather you've seen all this LoF stuff from January 2006?

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=4&gl=uk

**-Sardaukar-** · 11-02-2009, 15:19

Originally Posted by bovvy

Originally Posted by Gas Gas Gas

He did use the name Seamus at one stage I believe.

Sorry to intrude ..... or if I have the wrong end of the stick, but have seen this one:

"SÃ©amus GÃ©roid RÃ*stead MacAngearr" here:

http://www.ibanagreatlakes.com/castleshort.html

and somewhere else I can't find at the moment.

That is our guy from Croydon, "Irishing" his name.

It is *one* mark of his insecurity in life and need to biggin up himself to belong to something. And also desperately trying to belong to something.

I had a girlfriend (who was very accomplished martial artist AND still serving in military), who wanted to change her first name from Ana to Anna, to fit in more.

When asked, I was against it, a lot.

"If you don't know your history, you are like a leaf that once belonged to tree, but doesn't know it."

It is very bad if one has to invent imaginary history of glorious deeds and names.

**thomas720** · 11-02-2009, 16:49

The thread accepted earlier on that there is no such place as Castle Cosey Castle Bellingham..etc etc ...but there is a Castle Court , Castle Bellingham.....

As it seeems a fairly rural area ,probably covered by one postie , is it not too much to believe that the postal address is altered on purpose to throw the weaker hounds from the scent?

If the postie saw the addy he would immediately recognise it as Jimbos "walt "deliveries and post it as so.

There are loads of addresses in the area as castle court.....

or is that so thin its anorexic?

**blue-sophist** · 11-02-2009, 17:00

Originally Posted by thomas720

The thread accepted earlier on that there is no such place as Castle Cosey Castle Bellingham..etc etc ...but there is a Castle Court , Castle Bellingham.....

As it seeems a fairly rural area ,probably covered by one postie , is it not too much to believe that the postal address is altered on purpose to throw the weaker hounds from the scent?

If the postie saw the addy he would immediately recognise it as Jimbos "walt "deliveries and post it as so.

Been done, matey ... there's a development of 5 houses on the site of the old Castle Cosey on Brewery Street ... and the local Post Office in Castlebellingham knows Shortt lives locally.

Probably, E&OE and that stuff