Thread: DVD OUT TODAY Young soldier film 'Broken Britain'

ok off to work now, will check the onslaught when i get back, PM me if you want to help, have info that can help?

thanks so far, owe you a few pints.

Originally Posted by asha

Originally Posted by wedge35

Lots

thanks for that, will take it on board, and yes i agree i have to write it from my own experience, and everything else you said rings true, can you PM we some langauge?

Yeah, PM me if you like. But if you end up winning a BAFTA, I want to meet Ricky Gervais and I want to bum Lil Chris in the bogs.

Originally Posted by asha

Originally Posted by fusil89

Admit it though you do want to make the soppiest story possible with the intent of making your student chummies cry and bitch about "the futility of war" hoping to gain something from it all

war has its place, i don;'t doubt that

but it effects everyone in different ways, not just the serving heroes, or people doing their job, but people back home,
the people on the street make an opinion by what they are told by the media or the BBC?

the story is about someone who wants to do his duty and a weaker soldier that wants to leave, anybody know why someone would leave, and how?

If you want ot make it realistic, try not making the guy who wants to leave look like a coward/weak. Alot of people come back from Afghanistan/Iraq and want to get out, this doesn't make them weak.

also try and get ex or serving soldiers to play the roles of the soldiers, unfortunately watching civvys trying to walk and talk like a squaddie just turns out into a laughing stock and pretty much pisses me off watching that sort of stuff.

Theres plenty of people willing to do it for free on their weekends or evenings off, you may find alot in here for example.

Laugh or cry, I don’t know , first you say “this is a fiction film and i want to get my facts correct “ then after some valid pointers you say “ write me something I can make then, that above sounds like eastenders!!!!!! which is not the truth� but Mark, life is stranger than fiction., regardless of the conflict be it the battle of Hastings ,the South Atlantic conflict or indeed Iraq or Afgan,, many men return and I would argue stronger and still want to “get out� and that is regardless of injuries physical or mental.

Finaly and to quote you� I don't know what its like to fight in a war� the best research is to experience it, ask Max Hastings et al .

As for the few pints, make mine a donation instead , Erskine or RBL or Help for Heroes or………

WW

Good post WW.

Apologies if I've got the wrong impression here, but there are just a few alarm bells ringing about this. I don't disagree with some of the sentiments in State Of Emergency- I don't think there are many people in this country that appreciate the levels of extent to which we're all monitored here, whether it's information gathering from our personal details or CCTV. The one thing that I did immediately notice with was the photos of prisoners being taken and the geezer zipping his flies up as he left the room? That just immediately drew parallels with the treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib (which wasn't us, by the way) and obviously TWOT, not S21 or Cambodia. From that and the tone of 'The Cell' I take it you're not particularly in favour of the war in Iraq. That's fine, and it's your unequivocable right. I read the 'History is the Future' essay too, and can honestly say there's a lot I agree with in there- especially the last paragraph.

BUT...

The whole anti-authoritarian tone of everything makes me wonder whose interests any film like the one you're talking about would serve, particularly with the links, for example, to Amnesty International and the pages on 'extraordinary rendition'. Are your views on they UK Armed Forces then that far removed from these not exactly pro-military chaps?

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/02/361861.html - Brize Norton deportation protests
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/08/347712.html - Brize Norton anti-war protests
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regio...02/391534.html - AFCO blockade

It may be a 'positive and truthful' film you're talking about making, but I do wonder from whose perspective it'll end up being 'positive and truthful' and how selectively any source material would end up being used. If I've got the wrong impression, then like I said, apologies, but you can probably understand why when you see the volume of pure garbage and ignorant, unreasoned abuse that is aimed at members of the UK Armed Forces by anti-everything groups like this lot, which as ever, includes a significant part of the student body in this country...

Originally Posted by Mutts

Apologies if I've got the wrong impression here, but there are just a few alarm bells ringing about this. I don't disagree with some of the sentiments in State Of Emergency- I don't think there are many people in this country that appreciate the levels of extent to which we're all monitored here, whether it's information gathering from our personal details or CCTV. The one thing that I did immediately notice with was the photos of prisoners being taken and the geezer zipping his flies up as he left the room? That just immediately drew parallels with the treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib (which wasn't us, by the way) and obviously TWOT, not S21 or Cambodia. From that and the tone of 'The Cell' I take it you're not particularly in favour of the war in Iraq. That's fine, and it's your unequivocable right. I read the 'History is the Future' essay too, and can honestly say there's a lot I agree with in there- especially the last paragraph.

BUT...

The whole anti-authoritarian tone of everything makes me wonder whose interests any film like the one you're talking about would serve, particularly with the links, for example, to Amnesty International and the pages on 'extraordinary rendition'. Are your views on they UK Armed Forces then that far removed from these not exactly pro-military chaps?

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/02/361861.html - Brize Norton deportation protests
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/08/347712.html - Brize Norton anti-war protests
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regio...02/391534.html - AFCO blockade

It may be a 'positive and truthful' film you're talking about making, but I do wonder from whose perspective it'll end up being 'positive and truthful' and how selectively any source material would end up being used. If I've got the wrong impression, then like I said, apologies, but you can probably understand why when you see the volume of pure garbage and ignorant, unreasoned abuse that is aimed at members of the UK Armed Forces by anti-everything groups like this lot, which as ever, includes a significant part of the student body in this country...

The problem with those links is that they tar soldiers and war with the same brush. I like to think that I can seperate them in my mind and I try to empathise with the difficult job the forces have to do. I certainly do consider myself anti-authoritarian but realise that no everyone has the luxury of being able to adopt such a position. Maybe MFAW are closer to me.

I can pretty much sumerise this film before it's even made, it will be about evil sqauddies who have kicked the f**k out of and tortured poor innocent insurgents and are now having PTSD flashbacks over all the ragheads they've slotted and the bad things they've done.

All with berets like helicoptor landing pads.

The problem with those links is that they tar soldiers and war with the same brush. I like to think that I can seperate them in my mind and I try to empathise with the difficult job the forces have to do.

In that case you probably understand why I was somewhat wary.

Thread edited to remove general flirtiness and innuendo (Ooooer Matron etc etc)

Mark has come here to get some background for his original idea, and is giving Soldiers a chance to have some input in a fictional drama.

Anything we can do within the usual caveats to help someone make something truly representational, or show Squaddies as not just DPM or Dessie clad automatons , should be encouraged.

For all we know, Mark may cancel his original script, and just make a new one "Fly on the wall in a Naafi Bar" or some such. :D

So let's have some good feedback a la Wedge, PP and WW and actually for a chnge get something that Squaddies will say "That was dead good that was...."

Originally Posted by asha

Originally Posted by Mr_Deputy

do you know what - apart from the screen full of balloons at the beginning (I thought you were hiding behind a ballon and some jelly to keep safe but realised you were showing you'd put the camera down in shock) its not too bad!!

the bloke doing the briefing in front of the over head projector is not totally unconvicing as a military type of charcter for example.

the female 'questioner' isn't too bad either! but in a different way...

cheers, could you see my purpose for making this film, and then my reasoning to make this one, watch the 'cell' on my website, you'll find it

may be you should take a look at the black Watch play. It is one of the few plays/movies I've seen that actually captures the tone of the soldiers. And yes, they swear like fcuk. They will turn the most awful events into a joke within the hour.

Originally Posted by asha

Originally Posted by Mr_Deputy

do you know what - apart from the screen full of balloons at the beginning (I thought you were hiding behind a ballon and some jelly to keep safe but realised you were showing you'd put the camera down in shock) its not too bad!!

the bloke doing the briefing in front of the over head projector is not totally unconvicing as a military type of charcter for example.

the female 'questioner' isn't too bad either! but in a different way...

cheers, could you see my purpose for making this film, and then my reasoning to make this one, watch the 'cell' on my website, you'll find it

Money?

Originally Posted by Mutts

Apologies if I've got the wrong impression here, but there are just a few alarm bells ringing about this. I don't disagree with some of the sentiments in State Of Emergency- I don't think there are many people in this country that appreciate the levels of extent to which we're all monitored here, whether it's information gathering from our personal details or CCTV. The one thing that I did immediately notice with was the photos of prisoners being taken and the geezer zipping his flies up as he left the room? That just immediately drew parallels with the treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib (which wasn't us, by the way) and obviously TWOT, not S21 or Cambodia. From that and the tone of 'The Cell' I take it you're not particularly in favour of the war in Iraq. That's fine, and it's your unequivocable right. I read the 'History is the Future' essay too, and can honestly say there's a lot I agree with in there- especially the last paragraph.

BUT...

The whole anti-authoritarian tone of everything makes me wonder whose interests any film like the one you're talking about would serve, particularly with the links, for example, to Amnesty International and the pages on 'extraordinary rendition'. Are your views on they UK Armed Forces then that far removed from these not exactly pro-military chaps?

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/02/361861.html - Brize Norton deportation protests
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/08/347712.html - Brize Norton anti-war protests
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regio...02/391534.html - AFCO blockade

It may be a 'positive and truthful' film you're talking about making, but I do wonder from whose perspective it'll end up being 'positive and truthful' and how selectively any source material would end up being used. If I've got the wrong impression, then like I said, apologies, but you can probably understand why when you see the volume of pure garbage and ignorant, unreasoned abuse that is aimed at members of the UK Armed Forces by anti-everything groups like this lot, which as ever, includes a significant part of the student body in this country...

good to see your doing your research, i made the cell in 2003, when a student and it felt right at the time, that we could be attacked by one man and a bomb, that happened 2005, your state of emergency drew parrels with what happened in cambodia etc, and abu grade, yes we wernt involved, but my point on that film was that the civvie if incocent like that brazilian kid on the underground who got shot in the head, what would happen if the goverment could lock someone up for 90 days, i have made a film about a bomber, and the goverment, and have yet to tackle the army, and from what i have heard you guys are'nt getting a fair ride,

so iam here to do my duty as a film-maker and to you and try and balance out the obvious mis-repretentaion, and it aint easy.

so my story could be about an average soldier on a night out that gets shit from everyone, but does that happen? do you get a fair ride in the media and in the public, and if not, what are they saying, whats true and whats not. my sources are you, iam asking for what you want to tell me...

Originally Posted by PartTimePongo

Thread edited to remove general flirtiness and innuendo (Ooooer Matron etc etc)

Mark has come here to get some background for his original idea, and is giving Soldiers a chance to have some input in a fictional drama.

Anything we can do within the usual caveats to help someone make something truly representational, or show Squaddies as not just DPM or Dessie clad automatons , should be encouraged.

For all we know, Mark may cancel his original script, and just make a new one "Fly on the wall in a Naafi Bar" or some such. :D

So let's have some good feedback a la Wedge, PP and WW and actually for a chnge get something that Squaddies will say "That was dead good that was...."

i have an idea, which you have read, but no script!!!!!!! ive wrote 3 scripts and i don't agree with any of what i have written, its false, so ive come here to get some truth, and what i have learnt is you are pretty pissed of with being mis-represeted, which is a good story for me to tell, and sounds truthful