- 16-02-2012, 15:03 #191
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People mentioned earlier the comparisons with the RMP in Majar al Kabir. There are in fact 2 key similarities:
1. The NCOs leading the tasks knew that tensions were raised in the area, or at least they should have known. Large scale riots 2 days before in the case of the RMP; the Gibraltar Op and subsequent funeral with added Stone intervention for the R Signals case.
2. Despite this knowledge (or assumed knowledge), the two NCOs leading the tasks decided that they would ignore the standing orders and do what they thought was OK, rather than what they had been told to do. In the case of the RMP, a barely bothered flap sheet and patrol trace and ignoring to take the only form of comms which was 99% certain to work. In the case of the R Signals, taking an unneccessary sightseeing tour through a known high risk OOB area.
Sadly, the result in both cases is that the commanders died. For me, even more sad is the fact that they took other soldiers along with them to their deaths.
I am sure I will get all sorts of grief for this post, but the reality is harsh. If you want to buck the system or be selective about which bits of it you want to abide by, consider the consequences. Messing about with length of sidies, in and up vs out and down or any other such trivia results in a bollocking and some extras. Ignoring the bits mentioned above or otherwise cutting corners leaves the HQ element to do a lot of work to figure out if any friendly forces are actually at risk if anything starts to go wrong. This uncertainty causes delay in tasking the QRF which may, or may not, have some influence on whether they survive the event.
For me, that is the key lesson from both of these.
- 16-02-2012, 15:19 #192
A very large Soxmis vehicle, was seen blatantly driving round FTX locations, at least once that I remember.
Us old cold war warriors clocked russkies in BAOR and Berlin, or Helmstedt. Helmstedt was where we were offered russian badges for ten marks down the documents tray. Never ever spoke to a russian, daft when you think of it. Thing is, they were never any trouble or bother. Any trouble would have come from those DDR twonks. There's plenty of info, on that stuff.
Some that's done the Province, might have been caught out alone in a pub with the wrong sort, or worse..
We were in Omagh for the murders of Wood and Howes by rabid dogs, all fired up after Michael Stone had wasted (only) three of them at Milltown cemetery. Comical as it was, with him running off to the main road, Stone caused a lot of trouble, and years later had another go, at Stormont.
The Black Taxi and Scaley video's not pretty,( we never ever got in those Black Cabs back then, I still don't. But when you're trapped in the middle of those bastards there aint going to be much option is there, and the lads it's fair to say, were fairly restrained. But who knows what any of us would have done in those circumstances.
The story of some bloke twatting players who jumped him, are true. IIRC it was Derry, about '76.
Last edited by Devon_Walker; 16-02-2012 at 18:59. Reason: Engage brain before gob.
- 16-02-2012, 15:46 #193
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- 16-02-2012, 15:47 #194The artist formerly known as Bob_Lawlaw
And I said to the man who stood at the Gate of the Year " Give me a light that I may tread safely into the unknown".
Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet.
- 16-02-2012, 15:51 #195
- 16-02-2012, 15:56 #196
Okay bang out of order on the Heli . Apologies. Chocolate Frog , silly question about the cabs don't you think?
We all make experiences, decisions, and have different views, honest opinion but which doesn't have to cause offence and this did, apologies to all concerned and to the site.
- 16-02-2012, 16:02 #197
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I was under the impression that they both acted bravely and fought like fuck when they realized their situation, right up to the end?
- 16-02-2012, 16:05 #198
I imagine its haunted him ever since and I agree he deserves a lot of respect rather than digs about him not landing on the nearest roof and diving in like Bruce Lee.Steven Seagull is a rotten, intenet bully, a seventh generation cunt, he was born in a state of misery, half-cooked with a mean streak a mile wide. Over the years he has developed a passion for human oddities, presdigitation, tattooing and torture.
- 16-02-2012, 16:10 #199Xylitol kills dogs, remember Eddie - http://www.facebook.com/The.Eddy.Project
- 16-02-2012, 16:13 #200
If you can't take the RAF, you shouldn't have joined a joke.
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