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Originally Posted by Robbeaus

interlectual

Quite.

Originally Posted by Mothman

Imagine a future world where we have perfected robot drones to provide all of our needs and many of our luxuries and desires. there is no need for man to labour, and no man can profit from the value of the excess labour, which is the basic force of capital. But These robots don't need paying. So we now have no need of money. Money is a sign of poverty. No human labour, ne excess labour, no capitalists, no, need, no want, and therefore no need of money.

Comrades, we must abolish WORK! We must build those robots.

Who owns the robots, where and how do you acquire one, and weren't they once called slaves, within capitalism?

Originally Posted by Counter-Bluffer-Ops

Quite.

well that's how my spell checker spelt it.

Originally Posted by Robbeaus

At last somebody, who understands the great money trick!
U Form a political party and I'll vote for you.

Do you have the faintest concept of what money actually is?

Originally Posted by Mugatu

Who owns the robots, where and how do you acquire one, and weren't they once called slaves, within capitalism?

You could potentially have a robot based economy using von Neumann machines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-replicating_machine

The basic concept is of computer controlled factories that can accept inputs of raw materials and turn out robots. The robots can then mine additional raw materials which are sent to the factory to produce yet more robots. In principle no human intervention would be needed.

In practice we presently lack the full skills to set up the production of von Neumann machines and an socio-economic model to deal with a situation where most of the population did not work.

Maybe in 100 years time...

Wordsmith

Originally Posted by CQMS

Do you have the faintest concept of what money actually is?

Oh yes, it's the con that keeps the workers thinking they are part of the capitalist system. In reality we don't actually need money, as most of us have transferable skills with which we could (if we wanted to) trade for sufficient to live quite comfortable lives on.
Money however distorts the real market by allowing nobodies or those who have no idea of a transferable skill, such as MP's Bankers and their ilk, to imagine because they have lots of money they don't need transferable skills. That may well be the case, but given the precipice that we are sat at the moment I wouldn't be to sure that transferable skills are not going to be very usefull in the next few years
Returning to the point by flogging the workers their dead horse and call it their share of the system, the workers are conned and happy. Moreover it allows those wankers with nothing more to offer than money the slight hope that they to wil get through whatever Marx saw followed Capitalism.
Happy?
Thought not, try reading Roberts Tressells' masterpiece to help you understand just what the fuck I am on about.

Originally Posted by Robbeaus

Oh yes, it's the con that keeps the workers thinking they are part of the capitalist system. In reality we don't actually need money, as most of us have transferable skills with which we could (if we wanted to) trade for sufficient to live quite comfortable lives on.
Money however distorts the real market by allowing nobodies or those who have no idea of a transferable skill, such as MP's Bankers and their ilk, to imagine because they have lots of money they don't need transferable skills. That may well be the case, but given the precipice that we are sat at the moment I wouldn't be to sure that transferable skills are not going to be very usefull in the next few years
Returning to the point by flogging the workers their dead horse and call it their share of the system, the workers are conned and happy. Moreover it allows those wankers with nothing more to offer than money the slight hope that they to wil get through whatever Marx saw followed Capitalism.
Happy?
Thought not, try reading Roberts Tressells' masterpiece to help you understand just what the fuck I am on about.

Presumably if you do some work for me you'd prefer to be paid in magic beans then?

Originally Posted by CQMS

Presumably if you do some work for me you'd prefer to be paid in magic beans then?

No, but I might be persuaded to take your dairy cow, for digging your veg plots for say a month? Or swap some of my wind generated energy, for you wife or daughter or you, to cook and clean for me. With your cow I will swap for two horses (as I already have a cow) and swap one horse for a cart to hitch my horse to. With my cart I will take my lumber to market and swap for 10 sheep, whose wool I will use make warm coats. And so on.
Basically if you have what I need I will swap or trade something that I have, if you haven't or don't want to I will look elsewhere.
Any skill can be transferred to anybody, even professional people, you take my appendix out and I will give you 12eggs a day for 2 years?
Money therefore is surplus, and given that anybody could do this and live without money, what is the point of Money? Simple to make those who have no value or worth acquire artificial worth and by conning the public that money is better than transferable skills
Incidentally for the past 5 years I have been trading my skills/crops/cows milk etc for other usefull skills, andyes I do have somebody who digs my garden for a transferable skill.
BTWmost of the skills that I have came about because of the self sufficiently I acquired in my time in the Army.