- 09-06-2012, 20:08 #121
The census has always been innaccurate. I know of two Polish builders who live in a camper van and simply move around from one car park to another. I've seen with my own eyes Chinese workers living upstairs from a takeaway in Beckenham 8 to a room in 4 tier bunks, and they were 'hot bunking', when they went to work in the morning, the night shift got their heads down in the same beds! None of them ever saw, let alone filled in a census return.
- 09-06-2012, 20:26 #122
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the amount of food people buy but chuck away, I reckon it's a spectacularly bad measure of how many people there are.
It may very well be the case that "as Sir Richard Branson says, you can have all the money in the world but you can only eat one lunch and one dinner", but it's most definitely the case that people are eating more food during each as well as snacking more between meals. Both of these will drive up the total amount of food purchased without in any way being linked to an increase in population, even before you take into account the increase in price per item.
A good measure of how far our population is comprised of greedy, wasteful cretins, perhaps.We need people who look to the stars, holding the nation and the world in their hearts but at the same time we need down-to-earth people who can do serious and trying work.
In a definite sense, a country's power and prestige isn't only a reflection of its economic power but also a reflection of its people's quality and morality. Moreover, I think the latter is actually more important in the long-term.
- 09-06-2012, 20:45 #123
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The whole relationship employer/employee has basically remained unchanged since the end of the 19th Century. While that sort of patriarchal attitude may have had nominal validity then, it’s certainly not applicable now when most folks can read and write and are IT savvy enough to gather news from various sources. While unions and other organisations are seeking a parity of democracy in the workplace, pay, terms and conditions and pensions are being radically eroded by the companies with the active connivance of the gobment(s). All the improvements in the workplace that previous generations fought (and sometimes died) for are being rolled back to provide companies with even more advantages. The notion that workers, and their pay, are an active element in profit planning should be a thing of the past and the social responsibility of the employees a given, but the opposite is happening at the moment.
I think we have to finally leave that sort of thing behind us in the working world. It may be easy for a company simply to sack a few workers just to improve growth and/or profits. But the effect on those sacked is disastrous. Enough experiments have clearly proved that workers who're employed in well-run companies in which they're respected and valued in a stable environment are much more productive and willing to go the extra mile if necessary and, in addition, staff turnover is minimal. There has to be a far greater level of co-determination and the participation of workers in profits.
There will always be companies going bankrupt, that’s a given. However, it’s interesting to know that 87 percent of such failures are down to bad management and not to adverse market conditions. Since management has such an appalling track-record, it's only fair to allow workers a major say in the running of the company, for they also have a vested interest in its success.
The problem is that managers won’t give up their hallowed status and precious privileges without a fight. That’s why I say that legislation should be introduced that obliges them to give their workers a living wage, more participation and enhanced co-determination. Once the idea takes hold and companies discover that success and profits actually increase, then it’ll take off and folks will wonder why it wasn’t introduced decades ago. But that’s probably all wishful thinking on my part, in spite of the overwhelming evidence that such methods work admirably and produce not only a happy and much more effective workforce, but happy managers too. If such methods can be successfully applied in individual companies, there’s no reason to suppose that they wouldn’t be just as successful on a nationwide basis.
- 09-06-2012, 20:52 #124
Now, while the argument is being made that the headlong expansion of the food retail market can be explained away by people eating more, a simple look around any town will tell you there are Far more people around than there used to be. Supermarket and fast foid chains employ the very finest minds to track markets and demographics to allow them to build new outlets and stores were there is a growing demand, i'll take the opinions of the man at Tescos who has to get it right in a ferociously cut throat industry over they Census people every day of the week.
Do you honestky believe the population if the UK has only increased by few million in the last 15 years?
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- 09-06-2012, 20:52 #125
- 09-06-2012, 20:55 #126
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- 09-06-2012, 20:56 #127Politics is the business of getting power and privilege without possessing merit. A politician is anyone who asks individuals to surrender part of their liberty - their power and privilege - to state, Masses, Mankind, Planet Earth or whatever. This state, those masses, that mankind and the planet will then be run by ........ politicians. (P J O'Rourke)
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- 09-06-2012, 21:01 #128
- 09-06-2012, 21:03 #129
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- 09-06-2012, 21:05 #130
I was simply asking as you seem to have the answer to all that ails this country and i wondered if you practised what you preached.
Why are you so defensive?Brace up, show the movement!