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A challenge.

I have no belief in any deity. I see myself as a fairly rational sort of chap and can be persuaded by reasoned, coherent argument.

So I challenge any believer, of any faith/religion/belief, to persuade me into a belief in a god and/or to become an adherent of any religion.

Originally Posted by Taffd

So I challenge any believer, of any faith/religion/belief, to persuade me into a belief in a god and/or to become an adherent of any religion.

Try becoming a Yazidi - it's as theologically sound as any of the others and you get to annoy the rest of the god-botherers by telling them that you technically worship Satan.

Originally Posted by Higgs_bosun

Me myself and I are the only moral benchmarks that exist...check Rand for details. A wider purpose is invention down to you...a selfish indulgence in blind faith is less credible than choosing trainers rather than sandals for your kids. We are all consumers so why deny it? Human nature cannot be wrong.

I have already explained that atheism for me was not based upon a defining moment although subsequently there have been countless indicators that have strengthened my resolve...many personal. I often squirm in horror when a parent having lost a child states it was god's will... Losing faith has little to do with defining moments that you allude to. But even if the priest with cancer proclaims that there is no god...why should that be surprising? It is perfectly obvious that the cruel and mindless acts of nature have no gods involved.

You will find no "ugly" or "vitriolic" comments directed towards reasonable people such as atheists BSL... Only irrational idiots who brainwash their children, divide society and threaten my security with their mumbo jumbo religions or faith. Sorry to inform you that I was never molested by a priest...but no! That is not the reason for my scorn either. You want to be respected by people like me? Then snap out of the cult that causes hatred... I actually care for you and your children.



You claim again that science is fiction whilst living in a fantasy world based upon the most garbled work of fiction that man has ever been exposed to, perhaps bar one. The hypocrisy is amazing...and "we are stories" indicates that you have little grasp of reality. Irrational to the point of being unbalanced, damage by blind faith has such an effect. It is anti-intelligence BSL. You have no 'knowledge' outside of the jesus myths. This has robbed you of all dignity...other than the pity reserved for fools. The "complexity" is your own impossible position... without crazy faith in a dead guy you are empty.

I'll stick with a 'map' that is accurate, modern and testable, each new edition reveals more astounding topograghy. With a simple compass one can find the places that actually exist. Where is your 'Truth' that is not found in the conventional signs?

Bluster trumps wet waffle every time...

I suppose if you keep up this megaphone style of interaction, striding through the crowds, banners-flying, attracting unquestioning acolytes, it will be enough to avoid pausing, reflecting and asking 'do I really want my to be associated with these words', and most of all, 'what have I become and what am I becoming' through such invective.

If you operate with such pointy elbows in the real world you might well become 'a character', loved for your 'strongly drawn views', but you'll only alienate people in time. Don't be a ventriloquist's dummy for a movement that has misappropriated science way beyond its limits.

Originally Posted by House Sparrow

yep, keep banging on about the deluded bit, it furthers your retort, prayer however has been about gratitude and penance, (though I do make note of the form of prayers these days, people are so self centred now.) also I find prayer for others to be a noble thing, (though I don't really do the whole prayer thing, but the thoughts go out and such - especially at funerals and the such).

I don't think I emphasied the; ''have you observed'' ..stance; on experiences after death.
that would be similar to watching a car go through a tunnel, but only watching from the side of the hill that it went through.

I think higsy, I'd like to wager a bet, not a monetary one, but a pint of ale at least, that if I get to heaven you're buying ok?

also you cite life after death to be unlikely, which is odd.. from your point of atheistical view it would be impossible no? or are you just a closet agnostic like the rest of us? though I don't suspect a faux pas, prolly just a quick choice of wording.

and boomie isn't a suicide bomber.
anything else you want to add?

(also that god's will bit from the above post; give over, you know as well I that they're either 1-havent come to terms ith the loss yet, or 2-a nut)also within that post; you claim only atheists to be reasonable, so by that admission why do you insist to hold debate amongst us heathens?)

Yep, I intend to bang on about the truth even if you can't see it, there is not an alternative.

Prayer no matter how gratifying to the prayee cannot make it work.

I can't think of a better reason to doubt life after death than your tunnel analogy...cheers. But if there is a bar on the other side the drinks are on me, although according to your deluded colleagues my life after death is being conducted for eternity in a pub with no beer known as hell! Daft innit?

I'm not an agnostic but was prepared to patronise you by using the word unlikely...in terms of probability it makes god as likely as a teapot in orbit around mars.

BSL will gladly blow himself up to ensure a place in heaven for his children...trust me. I'd just like to add that heaven does not exist.

Originally Posted by Taffd

A challenge.

I have no belief in any deity. I see myself as a fairly rational sort of chap and can be persuaded by reasoned, coherent argument.

So I challenge any believer, of any faith/religion/belief, to persuade me into a belief in a god and/or to become an adherent of any religion.

You fail to convince me of this when you seem to have a perverse desire to see the bible as a "word for word" inerrency or to completely reject it. As any believer will be sharing their interpretation of whatever scripture they are using, we would be preset to fail.

Originally Posted by BoomShackerLacker

I suppose if you keep up this megaphone style of interaction, striding through the crowds, banners-flying, attracting unquestioning acolytes, it will be enough to avoid pausing, reflecting and asking 'do I really want my to be associated with these words', and most of all, 'what have I become and what am I becoming' through such invective.

If you operate with such pointy elbows in the real world you might well become 'a character', loved for your 'strongly drawn views', but you'll only alienate people in time. Don't be a ventriloquist's dummy for a movement that has misappropriated science way beyond its limits.

BSL...as predicted earlier in this thread you have shifted the reasoning and points to one side to make claims about the manner of criticism. Only increasing the need for extra volume of course!

I feel no guilt for using the style of your fellow 'crusaders' past and present BTW...

Originally Posted by Higgs_bosun

BSL...as predicted earlier in this thread you have shifted the reasoning and points to one side to make claims about the manner of criticism. Only increasing the need for extra volume of course!

I feel no guilt for using the style of your fellow 'crusaders' past and present BTW...

Whatever is at the root of your disposition I'm genuinely sorry for it.

Originally Posted by bigpod

You fail to convince me of this when you seem to have a perverse desire to see the bible as a "word for word" inerrency or to completely reject it. As any believer will be sharing their interpretation of whatever scripture they are using, we would be preset to fail.

There is no preset to the challenge.

Assume complete ignorance on my part. Whilst I may question what people care to post, I will not be attempting to argue an opposing view.

For those wishing to make the attempt, feel free to argue in any style, starting from wherever you wish.

Furthermore, I will reign in my usual abrasive style.