- 17-06-2012, 18:51 #271
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Well, if y'all would actually give an honest answer instead of hiding behind some generic bullshit about how you happily ignore the bits in your "Bible" you don't like and believe in the bits that are guesses and interpretations of mistranslations of interpretations of something Hans Christian Andersen wouldn't even make up, I wouldn't need to ask the same question, would I.
In other words, why is your mutual wankfest with others who believe in fairy tales and imaginary beings more valid than the mutual wankfest of the supporters of Bin Laden's interpretation of Islam?
Just answer that simple question clearly and simply, if your brain can get around the matter of the majority believing that it's all a load of borrocks.
- 17-06-2012, 19:43 #272
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- 17-06-2012, 20:54 #273"As we moved slowly through the outskirts of the town we passed row after row of little grey slum houses running at right angles to the embankment. At the back of one of the houses a young woman was kneeling on the stones, poking a stick up the leaden waste-pipe which ran from the sink inside and which I suppose was blocked. I had time to see everything about her - her sacking apron, her clumsy clogs, her arms reddened by the cold. She looked up as the train passed, and I was almost near enough to catch her eye." Orwell, The Road to Wigan Pier
- 17-06-2012, 20:55 #274"As we moved slowly through the outskirts of the town we passed row after row of little grey slum houses running at right angles to the embankment. At the back of one of the houses a young woman was kneeling on the stones, poking a stick up the leaden waste-pipe which ran from the sink inside and which I suppose was blocked. I had time to see everything about her - her sacking apron, her clumsy clogs, her arms reddened by the cold. She looked up as the train passed, and I was almost near enough to catch her eye." Orwell, The Road to Wigan Pier
- 17-06-2012, 23:24 #275
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- 17-06-2012, 23:42 #276
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- 18-06-2012, 02:05 #277
- 18-06-2012, 05:51 #278
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Physical law abides by probability, there is no certainty. Christ was nuts and Mo was deluded, if they really were God we'd all be certain about it. They were just continuing the long line of crackpots who've existed throughout history. They still exist in the modern age too, Wako TX being a perfext example. The only reason they had any credibility in the past is due to the gullibility and ignorance of primitive shepherds. In an age of superstitious nonsense and a complete lack of general education it's unsurprising people took them at face value.
What's more disturbing is that in the 21stC supposedly educated and intelligent people still do.For where thou art, there is the world itself, and where thou art not, desolation.
- 18-06-2012, 08:08 #279
Never quite sure which side of the fence delusion lives myself. One one side we find those who believe in a creator whilst on the other there are those who can believe that the right chemical, in the right combination (and those combinations placed with others in the correct order) came together by chance and hence we have man! Mind you if they did we can confidently await a new Shakespearian offering from the room full of monkeys (which must by now be long overdue).
Physical laws (by which I assume you mean gravity, Boyle et al) abide and exist by logical, reason and observation (sounds a bit like the definition of orthodoxy that). An idea of how something occurs is postulated and then by empirical means a theory is developed and this finds itself expressed as an hypothesis. The hypothesis is tested and played with until such time that confidence is gained (and many rejoinders, surrejoinders and other 'polite' examination and dialogue have been enacted). At this stage probability is lost and assurance is gained and we have ourselves an law (which by scientific definition is something constant, hard and fast).
The problem with religion is that whilst many might claim 'there is no God', the (scientific/rational) requirement here is to take this hypothesis and make it a law. Faraday stood on a great many issues whereby others claimed he was wrong and his invitation is the same as the invitation from those (rational) people who believe. "By all means, feel free to prove beyond doubt there is no Creative force otherwise known as 'God'
As for Waco )I always want to put a 'k' in). There will always be people who are barking enough to start, and follow, such awfulness. Then again, look at the writings of many Christians (from day one - before they were national news) and you will see that those who know the genuine spotted the false extremely quickly. It's a bit like a treasury training facility in the US I visited some time back. Loads of people just sitting handing banknotes until, by touch alone, they could tell what was fake.
For me the biggest problem isn't Christianity or world faith but those who have made science their god and whose believe in a science god that has given us so much, etc, etc. Mirrors the sociological model of religion in that primitive minds ascribe 'godness' to natural happenings.
ps. Still haven't quite gotten over the day the Bohr-Rutherford model I was confident with was labelled as 'rubbish' by my tutor as he brought out of the box quantum concepts, transition levels and other models that made core and shells look naive and simplistic. We all, rightly or wrongly, put our faith in things, theological and scientific, and there will always be those, theologically and scientifically, who are snake oil salesmen, but one rarely sees people remove their faith (or question) science, do we?
It's the curse of the enlightenment project.
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- 18-06-2012, 10:36 #280