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Originally Posted by Higgs_bosun

I'm not surprised that you cannot deal with the "normal arguments", unless you are prepared to look foolish that is. But I asked "why?" because evolution is not in accordance with the bible is it?. It appears as though you shift your faith from one story to another. It still looks foolish.

If using the same faith for all, you should be saying that evolution is the devil's curse...or something like that and that the laws of nature are wrong. G(g)od did it all as described in a book that was written by him. Or are you saying that the bible is just made up?

HB - I'm surprised at you. You don't normally fall into that "all Christians are Creationists" trap. I know you have overseen others having this debate on the old thread, and didn't do so then. It's almost as if you are wanting to have an argument.

Originally Posted by tuffy52

Round and around we go on the merry go round of theory,speculation,idiocy,lunacy and just downright crackpottery...

Psuedo Science,Mumbo Jumbo and Mockery...

What a waste of Web space......

Better to discuss these topics..

MARSTVCHANNEL - YouTube

It makes more sense,and will be proved/disproved in the near future..

Not much point in posting stuff like that then...are you talking about religion or what? It fits...

But Mars?...do you doubt the data? ...why?

Very odd post.

Originally Posted by Higgs_bosun

Christians are along with other irrational religious groups the enemy of mankind. War, destruction and suffering is their only legacy and future. This can be observed...it's not an opinion.

Surely not the peace loving, holistic, persecuted Buddhists?

Originally Posted by bigpod

HB - I'm surprised at you. You don't normally fall into that "all Christians are Creationists" trap. I know you have overseen others having this debate on the old thread, and didn't do so then. It's almost as if you are wanting to have an argument.

The point was to show the hypocrisy of religion... There is no argument, only irrational faith on one hand and reason on the other. Like fact and fiction it's a no contest except that the religious don't understand this. A line cannot be drawn between christians...They all exist in the same pot...only some are more pure than others. They are all deluded.

In answer to the question about not being religious:

In my (big Black) book it says that 'religion' is a set of rules that one cannot keep in one's own ability (or strength) and therefore 'religion' exists merely to tell you how messed up and continually wrong you are. Religion condemns others and renders us as little more than persistent mongs in the training ground that is life.

I have a faith and this is placed in Christ, one of the three-in-one that is God as I perceive Him to be thanks to the power of the Cross (three cheers for Easter!). My relationship helps me not to fall short, encourages me to go further and picks me up when I do. It always hopes, always trusts, always perseveres and never fails (even when I do).

So, in a nutshell - why I am Christian and yet am not religious.

HTH

Originally Posted by Markintime

I'm guessing that he was being specific, he is a Christian as opposed to generally religious.

Belief can be very specific and has no need to be broad-spectrum.

Would you begrudge someone their religion if it brought them great comfort and helped make them a generally nicer person to know?

Not sure if this was kicked to me or the MostRev but I'll kick it anyway:

I don't begrudge anyone anything that brings them comfort or makes them a nicer person and there are many who make god in their own image or create a god that makes them feel better or causes them to act as perhaps general humanity and kindness should anyway. That said, I do feel sad when some do so much with an ersatz god and miss out on what, as I perceive and practice, believe is the full monty.

But as a great thinker once said, "If you believe in anything and that causes you to act well and live better, it might not be the full package but it's better than nowt!"

Pax

Wow - cheap grace and Bonhoeffer, the hypocrisy of religion and so much more down here - better than many a theological forum I've visited.

The Padre is someone who should recognise that we ask our people to go where no one should, see what no one should see and do what no one should be asked to do and this is the reality then the Church (universal) should be off it's arrse and ministering. After all, there's still dear Johns, family issues, stresses, losses (near and far) and more beside and when that occurs - who you gonna call?

Think I'm going to enjoy this place - thanks for the stimulation 9and breadth) guys.

The suggestion here in this thread that faith is irrational made me chuckle. The corollary was that atheism is rational.

All logical propositions are intuited in the first instance so the prospect of The Rational Man is impossible, of whatever stripe.

Rational arguments can be entered into for God therefore, in both directions quite happily. The idea of a Rational Human Being is counter-intuitive however.