Discuss "Are you Religious" II in The Intelligence Cell on The Army Rumour Service; Originally Posted by BoomShackerLacker
You have no conscience?
My conscience tells me that an infinite punishment for infraction of arbitrary and unrealistic rules is repugnant....
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About LinkBacks- 29-07-2012, 22:19 #1251My conscience tells me that an infinite punishment for infraction of arbitrary and unrealistic rules is repugnant.
Originally Posted by BoomShackerLacker 
- 29-07-2012, 22:20 #1252Senior Member
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I agree with that. It's called religion. Originally Posted by Soldier_Why "As we moved slowly through the outskirts of the town we passed row after row of little grey slum houses running at right angles to the embankment. At the back of one of the houses a young woman was kneeling on the stones, poking a stick up the leaden waste-pipe which ran from the sink inside and which I suppose was blocked. I had time to see everything about her - her sacking apron, her clumsy clogs, her arms reddened by the cold. She looked up as the train passed, and I was almost near enough to catch her eye." Orwell, The Road to Wigan Pier
- 29-07-2012, 22:29 #1253You sure you want to bring Chomsky into your particular argument? Originally Posted by BoomShackerLacker
Noam Chomsky on Postmodernism | libcom.org
Your pseudo-philosophical ramblings have not improved any.The proponents of "theory" and "philosophy" have a very easy task if they want to make their case. Simply make known to me what was and remains a "secret" to me: I'll be happy to look. I've asked many times before, and still await an answer, which should be easy to provide: simply give some examples of "a body of theory, well tested and verified, that applies to" the kinds of problems and issues that Mike, I, and many others (in fact, most of the world's population, I think, outside of narrow and remarkably self-contained intellectual circles) are or should be concerned with: the problems and issues we speak and write about, for example, and others like them. To put it differently, show that the principles of the "theory" or "philosophy" that we are told to study and apply lead by valid argument to conclusions that we and others had not already reached on other (and better) grounds; these "others" include people lacking formal education, who typically seem to have no problem reaching these conclusions through mutual interactions that avoid the "theoretical" obscurities entirely, or often on their own.
- 29-07-2012, 22:31 #1254It's what is proposed by Yahweh. Originally Posted by BoomShackerLacker
- 29-07-2012, 22:39 #1255Think eternal rather than infinite, and refer back about a week ago in this thread, for some ideas about what God may have meant. Originally Posted by Soldier_Why
- 29-07-2012, 22:47 #1256e·ter·nal Originally Posted by bigpod
adjective
1.without beginning or end; lasting forever; always existing.
2.perpetual; ceaseless; endless: eternal quarreling; eternal chatter.
3.enduring; immutable: eternal principles.
4.Metaphysics . existing outside all relations of time; not subject to change.
in·fi·nite
adjective
1.immeasurably great: an infinite capacity for forgiveness.
2.indefinitely or exceedingly great: infinite sums of money.
3.unlimited or unmeasurable in extent of space, duration of time.
4.unbounded or unlimited; boundless; endless:
Not sure your semantic hair splitting helps your case.
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Originally Posted by Soldier_Why
I'm not a post-modernist... we're very much in the grip of the modern."As we moved slowly through the outskirts of the town we passed row after row of little grey slum houses running at right angles to the embankment. At the back of one of the houses a young woman was kneeling on the stones, poking a stick up the leaden waste-pipe which ran from the sink inside and which I suppose was blocked. I had time to see everything about her - her sacking apron, her clumsy clogs, her arms reddened by the cold. She looked up as the train passed, and I was almost near enough to catch her eye." Orwell, The Road to Wigan Pier
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Not unless you're a hyper-literalist... Originally Posted by Soldier_Why "As we moved slowly through the outskirts of the town we passed row after row of little grey slum houses running at right angles to the embankment. At the back of one of the houses a young woman was kneeling on the stones, poking a stick up the leaden waste-pipe which ran from the sink inside and which I suppose was blocked. I had time to see everything about her - her sacking apron, her clumsy clogs, her arms reddened by the cold. She looked up as the train passed, and I was almost near enough to catch her eye." Orwell, The Road to Wigan Pier
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You've come into the ring swinging tonight S_W... thumping thy pulpit. Originally Posted by Soldier_Why "As we moved slowly through the outskirts of the town we passed row after row of little grey slum houses running at right angles to the embankment. At the back of one of the houses a young woman was kneeling on the stones, poking a stick up the leaden waste-pipe which ran from the sink inside and which I suppose was blocked. I had time to see everything about her - her sacking apron, her clumsy clogs, her arms reddened by the cold. She looked up as the train passed, and I was almost near enough to catch her eye." Orwell, The Road to Wigan Pier
- 29-07-2012, 23:00 #1260Yet Chomsky's remarks apply quite clearly to your 'argument'. Originally Posted by BoomShackerLacker
To my knowledge, the statement was accurate 35 years ago, and remains so; furthermore, it extends to the study of human affairs generally, and applies in spades to what has been produced since that time. What has changed in the interim, to my knowledge, is a huge explosion of self- and mutual-admiration among those who propound what they call "theory" and "philosophy," but little that I can detect beyond "pseudo-scientific posturing." That little is, as I wrote, sometimes quite interesting, but lacks consequences
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