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    Quote Originally Posted by mercurydancer View Post
    ..Possibly australopithecine...
    australians? :D but yeah, should I hand in my dissertation on operation barbarossa now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by House Sparrow View Post
    australians? :D but yeah, should I hand in my dissertation on operation barbarossa now?
    Why not? some historians have come up with sillier causes for catastrophic operations. I'm more of a John Keegan man myself.

    With Barbarossa, nothing makes sense as to why it was done, apart from bravado. Lets face it the 1944-45 Ardennes offensive didnt make much sense but nearly worked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mercurydancer View Post
    Why not? some historians have come up with sillier causes for catastrophic operations. I'm more of a John Keegan man myself.

    With Barbarossa, nothing makes sense as to why it was done, apart from bravado. Lets face it the 1944-45 Ardennes offensive didnt make much sense but nearly worked.
    No it didn't. The Ardennes was a local tactical success, followed by strategic disaster. It gutted the luftwaffe, and probably shortened the war by 6 months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HectortheInspector View Post
    No it didn't. The Ardennes was a local tactical success, followed by strategic disaster. It gutted the luftwaffe, and probably shortened the war by 6 months.
    Nearly being the operative word.. How "near" it came to success is still open to debate.
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    How close to Adolf are you?

    All commanders appear to do irrational things on occasion. What possessed Winston with the end of WW2 hostilities at last in sight, to indulge in military operations in the Dodecanese. The morale of the German defenders was grossly miscalculated; even at that stage of the war they fought fiercely and achieved local success against the liberating British forces. The Americans were disgusted at the concept of the operation and General Marshall, their Chief of Staff, is recorded as saying that not one doughboy would be sacrificed. Perhaps this was a part of Winston's strategic weakness in both wars. He was ever preoccupied by sealing off the Soviets by advancing north through Greece and the Balkans, defeating the enemy and somehow "persuading" the Soviets on a winning streak to hold back!

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