- 08-05-2012, 08:19 #11
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So they had a minor problem with Mk 1 and have been developing Mk 2. No real surprise there. If they want to bring down a commercial airliner, a 'non-detectable' or at least 'difficult to detect' device is the only real way for a passenger to be part of the chain. The cultural hangup with undergarments and the shyness in searching/showing off whatever is worn under your daytime clothes (for normal people at least, not ARRSErs), would point to explosive undergarments being one way to go.
The good news is that a device, hopefully Mk 2, has been recovered before it could be used for real. This gives the opportunity to test its detect-ability with what kit is currently in service or help to develop detectors that can do the job. The bad news is that someone will probably develop Mk 3, Mk 4 etc and they will probably not make the same mistakes again, making the 'detection & interception' job a little more difficult in the future. There may also be other Mk 2s out there which may be used before any countermeasures can be found and put in place.
The cat & mouse 'game' goes on...... it's just a case of figuring out who's the cat and who's the mouse at any given time.Blue skies & soft landings
M3.... still making a splash. (But for how long?)
- 08-05-2012, 08:34 #12
I feel like the reverse of the conspiracy types. Mainly I wonder if the powers that be leak the odd bits and bobs to keep the pot simmering. By its very nature the news is vague which is fair enough. The anniversary of Bin Laden's death seems to have passed very quietly, no spontaneous demos, in fact the whole thing has passed pretty much unremarked. I am sure that the religion of peace has not given up the struggle, and I feel pretty sure there may well be another mass killing of one sort or another. I am equally sure that it will be entirely different to the towers, or Bombay massacre, if it happens during the Olympics it will be something unexpected and the security/intelligence world will be caught flat footed.
Meanwhile the message is reinforced, 'They haven't gone away' and ever more intrusive counter-measures can be expected on the back of this.E-Tool counselling;
When E-Mailing isn't enough.
(Curtesy of Goldbricker).
- 08-05-2012, 09:03 #13
Kidnappings of westerns for crimal profit apparently continue, AQAP clearly still happily on their little way.
How long before the US gets fed up and believes drone strikes are no solving it.
Or have we all lost the will (and cash) for boots on the ground? (Assuming Sana'a would even allow a presence).
- 08-05-2012, 09:13 #14
I think this only goes to prove what berks they are for the most part. Still fixated on aeroplanes when they could poison a reservoir or knock out chunks of infrastructure with impunity. Truck bomb in the Blackwall Tunnel? Rat Poison in the reservoir? Brassing-up some little village somewhere in a (all together now!) Mumbai-style attack to show that nobody anywhere is safe?
No, fuck all that. Just wanna blow up planes despite the fact that they have the strongest security of all. Whatever happened to attack the enemy where he's weakest?
- 08-05-2012, 09:23 #15
But seriously, why should the jihadis be different from us? That's all we're apparently interested in kitting up to play.
Why shouldn't they? I mean they're human, and they want to feel big, important and shouty.
Boring people look at quietly blowing up power stations (or professionals, PIRA was going to do that in the early 1990s IIRR).
If I want to get an eternal love-in, surely I need to do something that'll attract the kuffar old bill wearing balaclavas.
Rubber dighny rapids bro!
(Sorry mate you make a fair and most insightful point, but I am sooooo fed up of the MSA, as I shall henceforward refer to it in a sort of "Blackadder/MacBeth" way).
- 08-05-2012, 09:30 #16
A few years ago, after they blew up the Staples Corner flyover in London, a friend and I were working out the best way to bollox up London. Bearing in mind there was no loss of life, the traffic congestion, and loss of revenue went on for years. We reckoned a good quality bomb in the Blackwall tunnel, main and underground junctions taken out round Clapham, and a couple of bridges, say Kew and Chelsea. Do it late at night with plenty of warning given. Hopefully no loss of life and the embuggeration factor would have lasted for years.
As you say Pigshyt, the effect of attacking say Edinburgh, or Carlisle, would probably catch the security world by suprise. Bit like conjuring tricks, everybody's watching for plane bombs, when a cruise liner/oil tanker rams the docks in New York, or Dover. Be interesting to see the response to that, you can't really sink a ship full of people or oil, and a liquid gas tanker, run into that WWII liberty ship in the Thames would make a very large bang, wipe out large portions of Essex and be different.E-Tool counselling;
When E-Mailing isn't enough.
(Curtesy of Goldbricker).
- 08-05-2012, 09:36 #17
- 08-05-2012, 10:11 #18
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- 08-05-2012, 10:26 #19
I believe the MO of the previous shoe or underpant IED (and probably the liquid bomb plot too) was to pop the window, this is intended to lead to depressurisation of the airplane and (they hope) loss of the airframe with all the persons aboard.
('In the name of Allah the most merciful, the most compassionate', never quite understood that, but there we go).
They previously tried a IED device concealed in printer cartridges, which all though discovered Anwar Al-Awlaki was quite cheerful about as he pointed the relative cost of the attack versus the defence was in the jihadists favour.
and thank you Pigshyt, just spat my coffee out. I shall try to get that into a conversation now (I fear it would be lost on a lot of my less historically minded colleagues)
It's not a necessary phrase in any way. I just enjoy taking the piss out of it. The way some people go on, you'd think that was the first time anyone had shot up a town. In fact, you might as well go back to old General Dyer and call it an 'Amritsar-style attack.'
- 08-05-2012, 11:00 #20
We will double now down on ever more expensive security theatre, refitting airports with better scanners, creating longer queues of frustrated folk being subjected to ever more intimate searches with most gratifyingly sexually confused wingnuts wailing "don't touch my junk".
All achieved probably at the cost of a 2nd hand delivery van.That's the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on!