ARmy Rumour SErvice

Originally Posted by Oyibo

Out of interest - if there's any plod on this thread - have the ROEs changed for baton rounds in the past few years? I went in the early '90s to Hounslow Riot Training Centre, and one of the instructors there told us that ministerial permission was required to discharge baton rounds on the mainland. Sincerely hope things have changed.

Baton rounds, (or AEP) CAN in some circumstances be 'self authorised' during a live situation (people with petrol cans and lighters for example).

In such terms of public order policing the use would be a pre-determined tactic and would have to come from ACPO... Which effectively means it will never be authorised due to the out-of-touch and incompetent management who is idly standing by and watching the destruction of their own organisation from the ground up.

I personally had some involvement with last summers shenanigans (please, no cries of walting or BS - I spent most of 2 weeks on urgent standby in case it kicked off in the local Morrisons) and had to watch whilst people got bricked and petrol bombed.

Many of you will probably have seen the footage of a 'yoof' discharging a weapon at the police helicopter?

In my opinion, that would make great news footage if he were to receive a little bit of feedback, lethal or otherwise, instead of him being made to look like a hero to the chavs.

Sportsday will, very likely, be a monumental fcuk up and I would advise anyone with the means to buy as many shares in G4S as you can!


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Any sightings of the "water Canon" that were mentioned a few months ago?

Originally Posted by PnGu

Baton rounds, (or AEP) CAN in some circumstances be 'self authorised' during a live situation (people with petrol cans and lighters for example).

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Originally Posted by PnGu

Many of you will probably have seen the footage of a 'yoof' discharging a weapon at the police helicopter?

In my opinion, that would make great news footage if he were to receive a little bit of feedback, lethal or otherwise, instead of him being made to look like a hero to the chavs.

Helicopter snipers?



IIRC his pistol jammed, still think he should have got a shoeing though.

I've often wondered if taking out plods whirlybird is feasible. I reckon its easy enough and the chance of getting caught esp during civil disorder is really slim.

Finding it actually in the air is hard enough... No chance during the Eastenders omnibus...


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Originally Posted by PnGu

Finding it actually in the air is hard enough... No chance during the Eastenders omnibus...


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For some reason its always over my gaffe!

Originally Posted by scalieback

Police Act 1996

Sorry Scalieback, never seen that one you put up;

’I....................of....................do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will, to the best of my skill and knowledge, discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law.’

The one I remember is this one (although I cannot find my one, so I got it off the BBC)

I Edmund BLACKADDER do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve our Sovereign Lady the Queen in the office of Constable, without favour or affection, malice or ill will; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved, and prevent all offences against the persons and properties of Her Majesty's subjects and that while I continue to hold the said office I will, to the best of my skill and knowledge, discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law.

Maybe it was just a Met thing?

Bit off baton rounds, sorry.

Guilty conscience? Well our one at least seems to be afraid of heights!


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