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Originally Posted by Biscuits_AB

The point is, as far as I'm concerned, if we go down the line of allowing the police to strike, we're on the slippery slope to militant unionism in a part of society where it has no place. There are enough coppers looking over the fence right now to see if it's greener elsewhere. It may very well be the right time to jump but the simple fact is, they'll be replaced. It's the same all over. No one is worth any more that the wage they receive. Cuts are happening all over the board so an acknowledgement of your predicament is the most that you will receive as everybody else is too concerned with their own problems. I doubt very much that the Police will ever get the right to strike. It would open the gates to all sorts of shit further down the line. You know it, we know it and the Government knows it. It's not happening and I wouldn't expect any great levels of open support from the tax payer. Just look at the militant shits in the Fire Brigade and their 'shennanigans' for a reason as to why you won't get the right to strike. Can you imagine the Police conducting themselves like that? You might be getting fucked about and it may be very unfair, but you're not on your own.

I totally agree mate. Personally I think that plod will never gain the right to strike and I think most would never want to actualy go on strike. But as it stands they have no way to protect their "industrial" rights.

I also 100% agree with you that everyones in the same boat back in the UK and that everyone has to take a bite of the shit sandwich but some of the stuff I'm hearing about Winsor (and I imagine it's not all 100% accurate as I'm 4500 miles away) speaks of someone who can make any "suggestion" he likes without the need to worry about the people who's livelihoods he's attacking actually being able to bite back, or at least have a small amount of bargaining power.

If I was still in the OB back in the UK I'd be ashamed if they stooped as low as the FBU.


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I always love the private/public sector comparisons along with the 'everyone has to take a bite of the sh*t sandwich etc.'.

Well, that's a load of rubbish.

Firstly, it is easier to take a bite of said sh*t sandwich if you are being led by example (think MPs). Equally anyone with any real incite will know that the Police (as with most other public sector/law enforcement agencies) are incredibly top heavy with 'management' (cull at the top - it is still increasing).

Secondly I would love to see these private sector comparabilities - with the fire/police/border etc. Seriously - who the f*ck else scrapes children off motorways etc.? The only comparison I can think of is public/private sector nursing and I think I know who is the better off there.

I actually don't support a right to strike for the Police, but neither do I support such a hypocritical and vindictive government (still kicking myself for voting for them). Like taking candy from a baby - lets see them tackle the real financial issues and in particular those f*cking responsible for this mess. Those in the know (ie in the midst of these cuts) KNOW - this country is anything but safe as a result of this government - anything but.

Originally Posted by theslayerofmen

(still kicking myself for voting for them).

Just remember to hold that thought for the next General election.

Originally Posted by Stick It

If any member of the Police is not happy with his/her lot in life he/she can simply resign - no one is forcing them to remain in their job. Support and sympathy factor of Zero.

Seconded.

I'd like to see a comparison of police versus army pay if there is such a thing.

Originally Posted by Fred_Frog_1987

Seconded.

I'd like to see a comparison of police versus army pay if there is such a thing.

I hope you are afforded the same sympathy when the army T&C's are changed. Incidentally I think the intellectual requirements are slightly higher in the Police (certainly will be following windsor2) than the army, hence another useless pay comparison and as you progress up the rank structure in both services the pay is certainly more comparable. What you meant to say was ' why does a 19 year old grunt earn significantly less than a police constable'. Is it worth answering?

Originally Posted by Biscuits_AB

Just remember to hold that thought for the next General election.

I cannot/will not vote for any of the main parties as they stand. Hell in a hand cart.

Originally Posted by theslayerofmen

I hope you are afforded the same sympathy when the army T&C's are changed. Incidentally I think the intellectual requirements are slightly higher in the Police (certainly will be following windsor2) than the army, hence another useless pay comparison and as you progress up the rank structure in both services the pay is certainly more comparable. What you meant to say was ' why does a 19 year old grunt earn significantly less than a police constable'. Is it worth answering?

I left the army in 1998.

You seem to have fallen for the old "All squaddies are all thick" myth. I think you'll find there are plenty of trades in the armed forces that your average PC Plod would struggle with...so let's not go down that road eh?

Originally Posted by Stick It

If any member of the army is not happy with his/her lot in life he/she can simply resign - no one is forcing them to remain in their job. Support and sympathy factor of Zero.

there - fixed that for you.