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Originally Posted by Democritus

Abeyance of its own laws is the last thing it demands ('obedience to' is presumably what you meant). Agree with the rest of it, though.

Well corrected.

Originally Posted by velcrostripes

Islam may be the religion of choice amongst a few black ex cons , but not amongst the general black population .

According to The Black Christian Directory , 68% of the black population regularly attend church in this country .

Putting to bed the notion that all blacks are mad Muslims you mean? - the only and worthwhile values of multiculturalism (note, -cult-) and diversity could be that there's all sorts doing all sorts, and not all of it extremist. Through the round window there are , and known to a few of us probably, young and hungry types in or out of university, with the values of hard work and ethics in line with family mantra, outrage, ranting mad Mullahs and clockwork nutters, which sometimes become clockwork bombers.

I've lived with the minority in question, "shared houses for professionals" , in Estate Agent BS. Agreed on some of the reasonable input here but not reaching for the wide brush. It's an education to see what's out there sometimes, and just why some people might be angry, hardworking graduates or in Uni. NEETs even. Their parents, communal learning, friends, winder-uppers and News, all fanning the flames of fertile young minds. What we know and think - we can't put here, and that's the rub.

The blacks and Islam thing is quite big in the states with the right, it's mostly about tying one well ingrained phobia into another too make it more popular. The reality is a fairly small phenomenon, black evangelicals vastly outnumber black Muslims and are often far more politically radical, they damn near got their forty acres and a mule back in the 60s.

I wonder: did the conversion of Cassius Clay in the '60s have any long-term effect on US blacks of making Islam an attractive alternative to Christianity?

Originally Posted by alib

It's a simple and comforting religion that just demands submission and abeyance of well codified law, none of this turning of the cheek, blessed are the meek, God being three blokes palava. It's nastier variants are also bankrolled by a shit load of Gulf Kingship cash.

It also allows you to claim advantageous treatment while behind bars.

A religion of convenience

You'll be getting those black people a bad name you know. No doubt the religion we're talking about could be described as a bit pushy, going by the last thousand years. So while some are on a mission of conversion and dominance, even the odd bit of vile murder: the old dears down the Methodist will be making them cakes and pouring tea. Personally I don't believe it's always religion that winds nutters up to carry out atrocities. It could just be haters and bigots in reverse. Nutjobs from the off, who found an outlet and excuse. But, some have gotten themselves a bit of a name for themselves, in the world. That's not prejudice, that's history, as recorded. Course, this is all just supposition, I don't really believe any of it meself, officer.

Originally Posted by Democritus

I wonder: did the conversion of Cassius Clay in the '60s have any long-term effect on US blacks of making Islam an attractive alternative to Christianity?

the stunts he pulled whilst touting his conversion particularly his anti white sentiments should have been enough to deter most,.. that tv interview where we went on about gentiles.

I suppose you could equally argue that his prestige and those very stunts would have caused some disenchanted blacks to consider following their hero down this new path. I asked the question because I don't recall ever seeing/hearing anything about his influence in this respect; to this day, he's a sporting idol and easily the world’s most famous black Muslim, but he doesn't seem to have pushed the religious line very much, at least in recent years. The 2001 attacks may have kept his head down; or perhaps the whole thing was always more 'political' than religious with him.