Originally Posted by nanotm

oh so its all about the earths shifiting its axis as it spins round the sun in its roughly eliptical circles then, wow and there was me worried that man was actually going ot be in trouble in the next few decades (i'd expect to see average tempuratures rising as our orbit changes to allign the northern hemisphere with being closer to the sun than the south in antoher 100 or so years ) oh well no doubt the spastics for global warming will keep crying even though everything about there science has been proved crap

What are you responding to, do you think that varying temperatures on Earth are significantly related to variations in distance from the Sun? Does anyone think that?

Originally Posted by re-stilly

English wine is now ranked up there with some of the best, and English Sparkling wines (Ridgeview) winning quite a few top honours. English wine is not the joke it was 30 years or so ago.

What are the Reds like?

Originally Posted by StickyEnd

What are you responding to, do you think that varying temperatures on Earth are significantly to do with variations in distance from the Sun? Does anyone think that?

From my limited understanding it is more to do with the suns surface activity, when the sun goes through cycles sunspots appear when there are more sun spots the earth warms up as there is more UV radiation being generated and consequently when there are less the Earth cools. This may be complete bollocks but am sure it is another theory out there.

Originally Posted by donmac

What are the Reds like?

Ridgeview only do Sparkling and one White, will need to hunt a English red down and try it.

Originally Posted by re-stilly

Ridgeview only do Sparkling and one White, will need to hunt a English red down and try it.

theres 5 english reds but two of them arre best left to ferment into vinigar than drink, actually they are all rather vinigarish to me so unless you like nasty wine i wouldnt bother tbh, but i agree with the white wine, although there have been english vinyards for 1000's of years they historically only produce good wine for 40 years each centuary, maybe thats something to do with the earths rotational cycle as well as oposed ot make believe global warming spouted by the fanatical followers of the fantastical mr gore

Originally Posted by nanotm

theres 5 english reds but two of them arre best left to ferment into vinigar than drink, actually they are all rather vinigarish to me so unless you like nasty wine i wouldnt bother tbh, but i agree with the white wine, although there have been english vinyards for 1000's of years they historically only produce good wine for 40 years each centuary, maybe thats something to do with the earths rotational cycle as well as oposed ot make believe global warming spouted by the fanatical followers of the fantastical mr gore

What?

Originally Posted by re-stilly

English wine is now ranked up there with some of the best, and English Sparkling wines (Ridgeview) winning quite a few top honours. English wine is not the joke it was 30 years or so ago.

Absolutely - the skills are there, imagine what we could do if we had a climate appropriate to large-scale wine production!

Btw, Chapel Down is also well worth checking out, some of the best sparkling white you'll find outside of Champagne.

Originally Posted by StickyEnd

What are you responding to, do you think that varying temperatures on Earth are significantly related to variations in distance from the Sun? Does anyone think that?

As I pointed out to nanotm a while ago, if Milankovich cycles where the main factor then we should be significantly cooler, as they are on a cooling path (that was the whole point of the few scientific papers relating to cooling back in the 70s). Despite 2011 being the 5th strongest La Nina and at the tail end of a particularly long solar minimum, it was still the warmest La-Nina year on record.

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Originally Posted by Mattb

Whoopedy fucking doo.


The UK is one of the richest and most technologically advanced nations on the planet. It's also an island. I seriously doubt that topping up our water supply with desalinated water will be too much of a hurdle for us.

So, as I don't work for a utility company, and I don't care that the water might taste a little funny as I drink beer anyway - no, it won't change my life.

Other things that may change include it snowing a bit more in winter - no problem, I know how to drive, the ability to plant vinyards on Salisbury Plain* and the fact that someone might have to build a sea wall around parts of East Anglia. I will most probably notice these things, but none of them will 'change my life'.


*Seriously, wine buffs - chalky soil, decent slopes - get the right climate and Salisbury could be the new Reims. Except without the racing track.

Good for you, the UK is one of the least affected counties by AGW. Countries in larger land masses are affected far more, For instance the US, Russia, China, and the African countries. All of which have experienced more extreme weather events, particularly the US. Anybody want to guess what's going to happen to insurance premiums this year?

Originally Posted by MikeMcc

As I pointed out to nanotm a while ago, if Milankovich cycles where the main factore then we shoould be significantly cooler, as they are on a cooling path (that was the whole point of the few scientific papers relating to cooling back in the 70s). Despite 2011 being the 5th strongest La Nina and at the tail end of a particularly long solar minimum, it was still the warmest La-Nina year on record.
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Good for you, the UK is one of the least affected counties by AGW. Countries in larger land masses are affected far more, For instance the US, Russia, China, and the African countries. All of which have experienced more extreme weather events, particularly the US. Anybody want to guess what's going to happen to insurance premiums this year?

Progress at last! Like the re-emergence of natural variability, until very recently the oncoming ice age hype of the 70s was dismissed as a journalistic fiction.

Do you have any references to these papers and their invocation of Milankovich cycles? My understanding of said cycles is that they progress over tens to hundreds of thousands of years - any effect on global climate isn't going to be visible on a decadal scale. Or is weather = climate now?

I guess the insurance companies are going to squeeze every penny out of their clients this year, ably assisted by screamy pant-wetters running around pointing to random weather effects as evidence of mankind's ongoing rape of the planet. What do you reckon?