Casual Nazism

**hansvonhealing** · 01-09-2010, 16:59

Originally Posted by Cuddles

....This web-site has been very interesting although as it is vehemently anti-fascist, it must of course be given les than A1 grading.

At least it names names: English Defence League: Businessman bankrolls ‘street army’

Key Figures
Tommy Robinson: Robinson – the name is a pseudonym [now known to be Yaxley-Lennon] – is from Luton and has emerged as the leader of the EDL in recent weeks. Close to Alan Lake, Robinson, 28, claims to be a carpenter and father of two. He established the United People of Luton to counter the protest of a group of Muslim anti-war protesters at the home of soldiers from the Anglian Regiment.

Jeff Marsh: A 44-year-old convicted football hooligan from Barry, South Wales, Marsh is a Cardiff supporter and has been jailed three times for violence, including a two-year sentence for stabbing two Manchester United fans. He claims to have a degree in criminal justice and has written a book on Welsh hooliganism. He set up the English and Welsh Defence League but appears to be less influential in the current EDL. He attended the protest in Birmingham.

Chris Renton: A BNP activist from Weston-super-Mare, Renton helped set up the EDL website. When his political links to the BNP emerged the EDL publicly distanced itself from him but he remains an important player behind the scenes. He attended the recent Birmingham protest. His brother is also involved.

Leisha Brooks: From Southend, Brooks appeared to play an organising role in the Birmingham demonstration, though she did have a pair of knuckledusters confiscated by police on the day. She is friendly with underworld figures such as Dave Courtney, Carlton Leech and Mitch Pyle, son of the gangster Joey Pyle, and also knows Jason Marriner, a Chelsea Headhunter hooligan made famous by the television documentary series, MacIntyre Undercover.

Trevor Kelway: A Portsmouth-based EDL supporter, Kelway has become a spokesperson for the EDL. In interviews to the press he has pursued the line that the EDL was a peaceful, non-racist organisation. The address he uses for the media traces back to an Afro-Caribbean hairdressers’ in Birmingham.

Davy Cooling: A 26-year-old known Luton football hooligan who now lives in Daventry, Cooling originates from Northern Ireland. He is a BNP member and registered his interest in attending the BNP’s Red, White and Blue festival in August. Cooling administers the Luton EDL Facebook page.

Joel Titus: Aged 18, Titus is of mixed race and comes from Harrow, North London. He is an Arsenal supporter though attends Brentford home games. However, he boasted on his Facebook page that he took part in the recent West Ham and Millwall clashes. He has been able to draw in Arsenal and QPR hooligans to EDL activities. He runs the English Defence Youth and is paraded to the media as proof of their non-racist agenda.

Richard Price: An Aston Villa fan, Price was a leading figure in the most recent EDL protest in Birmingham. Aged 39, he claims to be subject to a football banning order and has served time in HMP Ranby. He has attended EDL protests in Birmingham and London.

**Maple** · 01-09-2010, 17:01

No, no you've got it all wrong, there are NO links between the BNP, Football hooliganism, Fascism and the EDL, Stacker told me....

'they smelt of pubs, and Wormwood Scrubs, and too many right-wing meetings...'

**CQMS** · 01-09-2010, 17:05

Originally Posted by taffy01

Jews are the target most of the time because they are convenient, most Jews live in the Diaspora and are as such "to hand" when you need an enemy/scapegoat.

POSTED BY CQMS

Fcuked Up the Quote options again - Bratty Fingers

'DIASPORA' Your not doing AA309 Culture, Identity and Power in the Roman Empire by any chance?

I beg your pardon but ?

**Maple** · 01-09-2010, 17:09

Its an OU course, done that, did the summer school, slept with a coursemate, got the diploma

**Awol** · 01-09-2010, 17:37

We used to call Dustbin Men er... Dustbin Men. Then the title became associated in the public mind with the job they actually they did, and became unPC, so they were renamed Refuse Collectors. This title became associated with the job they actually did and became unPC, and so they were renamed Waste and Recycling Operatives. When that becomes associated with the job they actually do and becomes unPC, it'll be changed again. It won't fool anyone.

Old Aged Pensioners used to be called, yes, you've got it, Old Aged Pensioners. Then that became associated with incontinent old people, became unPC and was changed to Senior Citizens. When that inevitably becomes associated with incontinent old people it'll be changed to something else. It won't fool anyone.

A group of violent, racist bigots used to be called the National Front. Then they became associated in the public's mind with a group of violent, racist bigots, so they reinvented themselves as the BNP and 'officially' rejected the nasty policies of their predecessors. Then the BNP became associated in the public's mind with violent, racist bigots so they reinvented themselves as the EDL and 'officially' rejected the nasty policies of their predecessors. The EDL is now swiftly becoming associated in the public's mind with violent, racist bigots and before long a new group will appear and will 'officially' reject the nasty policies of their predecessors.

It won't fool anyone.

**jumpinjarhead** · 01-09-2010, 17:38

Originally Posted by Cuddles

JJH - EDL is a catalyst. It creates opportunities where those of similar opinions and favouring similar practices can come together. So if EDL say there will be a demo at such and such a point, then their fellow travellers, allies and people who just fancy a ruck will be informed. Then the ruck ensues and after the police have picked up the pieces then the list of who was involved can be examined. So far UAF, EDL, combat 18 and BNP members have been identified by the police - and indeed by anti-fascist organs, who are as concerned about the linkages -as involved.

What EDL is not is a master mind or indeed a homogeneous command structure. Indeed it seems that its leadership could give the Popular front for the Liberation of Judea a few pointers on splitting and factionalism. This web-site has been very interesting although as it is vehemently anti-fascist, it must of course be given les than A1 grading.

Thank you for the information-that helps tremendously with context.

**jumpinjarhead** · 01-09-2010, 17:39

Originally Posted by Maple

No, no you've got it all wrong, there are NO links between the BNP, Football hooliganism, Fascism and the EDL, Stacker told me....

'they smelt of pubs, and Wormwood Scrubs, and too many right-wing meetings...'

Please define this.

**Maple** · 01-09-2010, 17:43

Sorry JJH, it's a song lyric by the Jam, 'Down in the Tube Station at Midnight'

1980s New wave (ish)

Down In The Tube Station At Midnight Lyrics - Jam

I should say that right-wing in this context is extremist BNP style thuggery, not right of center politics

**rampant** · 01-09-2010, 17:44

It comes from a song:

Down in the Tube Station at Midnight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**jumpinjarhead** · 01-09-2010, 18:47

Originally Posted by Maple

Sorry JJH, it's a song lyric by the Jam, 'Down in the Tube Station at Midnight'

1980s New wave (ish)

Down In The Tube Station At Midnight Lyrics - Jam

I should say that right-wing in this context is extremist BNP style thuggery, not right of center politics

I see you discerned my point that such trite phrases are often not really all that meaningful and as I continue to assert, are too often also used as convenient ways to derail discourse. Ironically, it is a classic tactic of fascists.

**jumpinjarhead** · 01-09-2010, 18:48

Originally Posted by rampant

It comes from a song:

Down in the Tube Station at Midnight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry-too old and set in my musical ways to appreciate such "art."

**Cuddles** · 01-09-2010, 23:34

Well I'm pushing 50 and I was a huge fan of the Jam.

**jumpinjarhead** · 01-09-2010, 23:43

Originally Posted by Cuddles

Well I'm pushing 50 and I was a huge fan of the Jam.

Yes but you are British and if I may painfully add, a mere child.

**stacker1** · 02-09-2010, 04:16

Originally Posted by hansvonhealing

So, I think its fair to assume that Stacker supports the EDL (please correct me if I'm wrong Stacker).

I'm fascinated by how the EDL will 'defend the liberty' of 'true Englishman' without resorting to politics - how else will they change British society? Surely not by 'street politics'?

No it isnt fair so dont make up bollocks stories.
What EDL do, whether its fighting on the street or anything else is not the question, you linked them to the BNP and now you seem to be posting anything but proof. Anything else you want to make up? Maybe the British army/Nazis? Perhaps the Police/child molesters? Or would you like to admit you just made it up because you wanted to jump on the bandwagon?

**stacker1** · 02-09-2010, 04:20

Originally Posted by hansvonhealing

I still await Stacker's explanation of how the 'non-political' EDL will be able to influence society without resorting to politics....

Here's a simple question for you Stacker, who is the leader of the EDL? Please don't give me the 'we are run by a network of organisers across England' guff, this sort of organisation always has a top man, care to share his name with us?

Wait all you like. I didnt say anything about the leadership of the EDL, I didnt say anything about the EDL being good or nice people you said they and the BNP were linked, its plain you were lying and just making shit up.
If you are going to post something at least back up your claims