Originally Posted by Accidental_discharge

The Eugenics policies of pre-war Germany had been drawn directly from those policies already in existence in N. America. Alberta instituted a eugenics policy in 1928, the Sexual Sterilization Act of Alberta, a four-person Alberta Eugenics Board was created. These four individuals were responsible for approving sterilization procedures. In 1972, the Sexual Sterilization Act was repealed, and the Eugenics Board dismantled. During the 43 years of the Eugenics Board, it approved nearly 5,000 individual sterilizations, and 2,832 procedures were actually performed.and what is not widely known, is that these policies continued on into the 1970s, and were directed at the same population group. Granted the broader minded Alberta goverment stopped short of euthanizing these individuals.

The province of Alberta was the first part of the British Empire to adopt a sterilization act, and were the only ones who vigorously implemented it. The Western provinces, British Columbia, Alberta, and Saskatchewan, were close to the United States and highly influenced by American trends - during early debates regarding a sexual sterilization bill in Alberta, there were many references made to the U.S. legislation. Canada was rapidly becoming populated by immigrants, and the theme of Eugenics was emerging - supported by sponsors such as J.S. Woodsworth, Emily Murphy, Helen MacMurchy, Louise McKinney, Irene Palby, Nellie McClung, and the president of the University of Alberta, Dr. R.C. Wallace. In Alberta, Eugenics had seemingly positive intentions with the goal of bettering the gene pool (I have heard that before).
Almost 3 000 people were sterilized under Alberta's Sterilization Act. Many more were not released from confinement because they would not consent to sterilization. Even in 1972, the year the Act was finally repealed, fifty-five people were sterilized for their "danger of transmission to the progeny of mental deficiency" and for being "incapable of intelligent parenthood".

It should also be kept in mind that eugenics is a creation of the progressive movement (much of it came from America) and was conveniently used by Hitler. http://www.princeton.edu/~tleonard/p...ospectives.pdf

Originally Posted by Mr_Fingerz

Nope, just a general observation. I suspect that Mr Innuit will do an awful lot better in the arctic, than the average european will. As for the quantum butterfly, I'll leave that to Mr Pratchett.

At this very moment, some bloke called Nanook is sitting outside his igloo telling his mates that a Brit sitting at his computer is better placed than them to survive in Manchester. They're all making "wanker" gestures behind his back and sniggering.

Originally Posted by Cuddles

I would like to offer up a vote of thanks to In Vino Veritas. Or as I like to think of him Sir Roderick Spode...

Damn right, and I for one am not afraid to stand my ground and call a Spode a Spode.

Beware though. Anyone who dares point out that IVV/Spode is a grotesque hate-filled clown is clearly a communist traitor and will hang come the day of reckoning. England is going to be a very lonely place afterwards.

He needs to learn to relax like a proper Englishman – with a nice cup of tea. Indian or Chinese. The choice is his.

Originally Posted by ScouseD

England is going to be a very lonely place afterwards.

I suspect his particular England already is. It's hard to imagine anyone with routine human contact being such a ludicrous caricature.

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Or as I like to think of him Sir Roderick Spode
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For God's sake, nobody mention "Eulalie"!

Originally Posted by smartascarrots

I suspect they just get called up to support enduring bigotry when the regular Nazis are overstretched. A sort of Last Territorial Demand in Europe Army.

Well, personally I'd not bother signing up if all you're going to achieve is being an Individual Replacement for Le Pen's old gang. I mean, there you are, polishing your jackboots, and they only call you up when Ms Mussolini's on holiday? I'd hand my kit in and become a Jehovah's Witness. More time to annoy the public, and you don't even need to learn the Horst Wessel song.

The awful, awful Marie Stopes (So beloved by the Left that there is a stamp with her picture out shortly) was part of the UK's answer to the Eugenicists in the USA and elsewhere. This from the DTel recently:
Marie Stopes is forgiven racism and eugenics because she was anti-life – Telegraph Blogs

“Dear Herr Hitler, Love is the greatest thing in the world: so will you accept from me these (poems) that you may allow the young people of your nation to have them?” These gushing words from an ardent fan (she was lucky Unity Mitford did not scratch her eyes out) were written in August 1939, just a month before this country went to war with Nazi Germany, by Marie Stopes, the “woman of distinction” who will ornament our 50p stamps from October.

Is Marie Stopes really an appropriate icon for Britain’s stamps?

Sending the Fuhrer a book of her sentimental poems was an appropriate gesture. This keen advocate of eugenics and subverter of family life had a long career of activity in the politics of human reproduction. In 1919 she urged the National Birth Rate Commission to support mandatory sterilisation of parents who were diseased, prone to drunkenness or of bad character. In 1920, in her book Radiant Motherhood, she demanded “the sterilisation of those totally unfit for parenthood be made an immediate possibility, indeed made compulsory”. Her 1921 slogan was: “Joyful and Deliberate Motherhood, A Safe Light in our Racial Darkness.”
As a letter writer to yesterday’s paper pointed out, her organisation was called the Society for Constructive Birth Control and Racial Progress and her clinics were situated in poor areas, to reduce the birth rate of the local residents. Not that Stopes wanted the working class to stop having children altogether. On the contrary, she was also a supporter of child labour: “Not many years ago the labourer’s child could be set to work early and could very shortly earn his keep… The trend of legislation has continuously extended the age of irresponsible youth in the lower and lower middle classes”…

In 1926 Stopes stipulated that the boy she would adopt as a companion for her son would be “completely healthy, intelligent and uncircumcised”. In 1935 she was present at the International Congress for Population Science in Berlin, held under the auspices of the Third Reich. On her death she bequeathed her clinic and much of her fortune to the Eugenics Society. Today, Marie Stopes International has nearly 500 centres in 38 countries, performing more than half a million sterilisations a year, and is a major abortion provider.
Considering the hysteria nowadays attaching to issues of race, at first sight it seems extraordinary that Stopes should have earned commemoration on a stamp. To the PC establishment, however, even racist peccadilloes can be ignored to honour a pioneer who helped promote the anti-life culture and relieve women of the intolerable trauma of giving birth to a child with a cleft palate. Eugenic abortion accounts for an increasing proportion of the 7 million “terminations” in Britain since 1967. Poor old Josef Mengele was not eligible for a stamp, being a dead, white male. Perhaps in 2009…







Interesting how both the Left and Right politically were in favour of this - the history of eugenics has been led by places known for their 'liberal' or 'socialist' views: Sweden, Finland, California in the USA, as well as Germany and Japan. Nasty buggers, the lot of 'em.

Originally Posted by OldSnowy

The awful, awful Marie Stopes (So beloved by the Left that there is a stamp with her picture out shortly) was part of the UK's answer to the Eugenicists in the USA and elsewhere. This from the DTel recently:
Marie Stopes is forgiven racism and eugenics because she was anti-life – Telegraph Blogs

“Dear Herr Hitler, Love is the greatest thing in the world: so will you accept from me these (poems) that you may allow the young people of your nation to have them?” These gushing words from an ardent fan (she was lucky Unity Mitford did not scratch her eyes out) were written in August 1939, just a month before this country went to war with Nazi Germany, by Marie Stopes, the “woman of distinction” who will ornament our 50p stamps from October.

Is Marie Stopes really an appropriate icon for Britain’s stamps?

Sending the Fuhrer a book of her sentimental poems was an appropriate gesture. This keen advocate of eugenics and subverter of family life had a long career of activity in the politics of human reproduction. In 1919 she urged the National Birth Rate Commission to support mandatory sterilisation of parents who were diseased, prone to drunkenness or of bad character. In 1920, in her book Radiant Motherhood, she demanded “the sterilisation of those totally unfit for parenthood be made an immediate possibility, indeed made compulsory”. Her 1921 slogan was: “Joyful and Deliberate Motherhood, A Safe Light in our Racial Darkness.”
As a letter writer to yesterday’s paper pointed out, her organisation was called the Society for Constructive Birth Control and Racial Progress and her clinics were situated in poor areas, to reduce the birth rate of the local residents. Not that Stopes wanted the working class to stop having children altogether. On the contrary, she was also a supporter of child labour: “Not many years ago the labourer’s child could be set to work early and could very shortly earn his keep… The trend of legislation has continuously extended the age of irresponsible youth in the lower and lower middle classes”…

In 1926 Stopes stipulated that the boy she would adopt as a companion for her son would be “completely healthy, intelligent and uncircumcised”. In 1935 she was present at the International Congress for Population Science in Berlin, held under the auspices of the Third Reich. On her death she bequeathed her clinic and much of her fortune to the Eugenics Society. Today, Marie Stopes International has nearly 500 centres in 38 countries, performing more than half a million sterilisations a year, and is a major abortion provider.
Considering the hysteria nowadays attaching to issues of race, at first sight it seems extraordinary that Stopes should have earned commemoration on a stamp. To the PC establishment, however, even racist peccadilloes can be ignored to honour a pioneer who helped promote the anti-life culture and relieve women of the intolerable trauma of giving birth to a child with a cleft palate. Eugenic abortion accounts for an increasing proportion of the 7 million “terminations” in Britain since 1967. Poor old Josef Mengele was not eligible for a stamp, being a dead, white male. Perhaps in 2009…







Interesting how both the Left and Right politically were in favour of this - the history of eugenics has been led by places known for their 'liberal' or 'socialist' views: Sweden, Finland, California in the USA, as well as Germany and Japan. Nasty buggers, the lot of 'em.

You are hitting on the key of progressivism-it encompasses the usual "left" and "right" distinctions and most people don't realize it. Just like the other aspects of their views, it all depends on whether you are in the favored few or not as to how these things will affect you.

Originally Posted by Cuddles

Or as I like to think of him Sir Roderick Spode

Originally Posted by filthyphil

For God's sake, nobody mention "Eulalie"!

I think we should call in the noted nerve specialist and loony doctor Sir Roderick Glossop.

Originally Posted by InVinoVeritas

As ever the forces of darkness resort to character assasination and ridicule when they lose the moral and legal argument.

Yes, for the forces of true light would never describe its opponents in open debate as starved of oxygen at birth, oath breakers or traitors or indeed worst of all the lunatic product of labour social engineering.

Originally Posted by InVinoVeritas

The fact is that Cuddles and his cohorts realise the illegality of the actions of the political classes, they are also oathbreakers and their words on arrse are clearly as worthless as the Oath they once swore to defend their country.

They call me a Nazi yet it is they who behave like internet Lord Haw Haw's.

I don't have any cohorts. I certainly do not recognise any illegal actions on the part of the "political classes" and I have not broken my oath. Nor indeed have I ever, I think, begun my posts with "Jairmany calling, Jairmany calling".

My dear old IVV, your obsessive concentration on the Bill of Rights and Magna Carta would be charming were it not for its contingent ignorance of the process for the development of the common law of England. Or indeed your failure to recognise that the descendants of King John and his barons have rather less to do with the government of the UK than they did even as late as 1689. This demand for REAL democracy, which you call a return is also mildly amusing to even the most casual student of constitutional affairs in the UK. There has never ben a democracy in the UK, merely a developing and progressively successive series of meritocratic oligarchies - albeit defining the merits of the most recent instantiations of those oligarchies has been difficult to say the least.

Frankly Sir Roderick, I feel it is unlikely that Sir Watkyn will ever see you as suitable marriage material for Madeline. I concur with the EP who suggested that the nerve-man glossop is your best bet for some help. Oh and do lose the footer bags.