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**Cuddles** · 09-09-2010, 16:11

Though pretty much what they deserve...

**Awol** · 09-09-2010, 16:16

Originally Posted by Cuddles

Though pretty much what they deserve...

Also plays into their hands propaganda-wise.

**Cuddles** · 09-09-2010, 16:22

Yes. Freedom of speech is a motherfucker. It is either unconditional or you might as well stick your right arm in the air and call me "Adolf".

**Just Visiting** · 09-09-2010, 16:58

AWOL, it's a tactic police use with away football fans regularly.

**jagman** · 09-09-2010, 20:06

Originally Posted by hansvonhealing

Some great images for the non-English Defence League offshoots. From: English Defence League - Macclesfield Division - English Defence League Home

The Ulster Defence League, The Welsh Defence League and, my favourite, the Scottish Defence League.

I wonder what Iron Maiden's lawyers make of those images of Eddie?

Edited to add I am a mong and didn't notice others have already made the same comment.

**Awol** · 09-09-2010, 20:08

Originally Posted by Just Visiting

AWOL, it's a tactic police use with away football fans regularly.

JV, I can see the justification in keeping football fans away from the human race as that is simply a public order issue. They are there to either watch the footie or cause trouble or both. Keeping them rounded up somewhere safe either before or after the game is sensible, but not the same as a demonstration.

No matter what the politics are, if a group has a right to protest at all, then surely they have the right to do it properly. If they are deemed too much of a risk and the demo is banned then that's one thing, but keeping them away from Joe Public when they have a legitimate right to air their politics smacks of the police misusing their powers for an easier life.

**Just Visiting** · 09-09-2010, 22:06

I think it was an effort to stop them rampaging through Dudley. At the second demo, static, they broke out of the area for the demonstration and rampaged smashing car windows and attacked a hindu temple. It doesn't help that they all get tanked up before hand.
They are doing some march or protest type thing at the US embassy on saturday, could be interesting now the deity believing mob want to burn flags there too.

**Awol** · 09-09-2010, 22:18

Originally Posted by Just Visiting

I think it was an effort to stop them rampaging through Dudley. At the second demo, static, they broke out of the area for the demonstration and rampaged smashing car windows and attacked a hindu temple. It doesn't help that they all get tanked up before hand.
They are doing some march or protest type thing at the US embassy on saturday, could be interesting now the deity believing mob want to burn flags there too.

From the documentary it looked as if they had expected to march through Dudley but were nstead contained first on the dual carriageway a few miles outside the town and then, several hours later when their frustration was clearly at boiling point they were allowed towards Dudley, only to then be fenced in at a car park on the outskirts of the town. It was after a few hours of that, that they broke out and headed.... towards the town centre, which is where they had wanted to go from the first

It doesn't justify the violence obviously, but it does beg the question whether it would it have been easier to let them march through the town in the first place.

**TheIronDuke** · 09-09-2010, 23:16

Originally Posted by Awol

Yep,

"Prosecutors in Germany have formally charged alleged Nazi war criminal John Demjanjuk with 27 900 counts of being an accessory to murder in World War II."

Story of Demjanjuk's life. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride. Tragic.